GreenEyedLady
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arunma said:Now, some infant baptizers compare baptism to circumcision. They claim that baptism is the sign of God's covenant with the church, and just as Abraham's children were circumcized, so too should our infants be baptized. But there's a problem: one must be a believer in order to be a part of the church. In other words, the "membership requirements" for the true Israel of God (the church) are somewhat different than for physical Israel. In the days of the Old Covenant, anyone who was born to Israelite parents was a child of Israel, a Jew, and an heir to the promise to Abraham. Such people were bound to the Sinai Covenant, regardless of what they believed. But the New Covenant in Christ's blood depends on faith, rather than on works of the Law. Thus, faith in Christ is required for one to be a child of Abraham, and a part of the true Israel (that is, the church). A baptized infant who grows up to be a godless atheist is not a child of Abraham, but a child of the devil. Yet the sinner on the cross, who was never baptized, became a child of Abraham by faith in Christ. Thus, if you happen to believe that baptism is like circumcision, then the logical conclusion of that belief is that the ordinance should only be given to those who are capable of having faith in Christ.
Very good!
I also want to add that there are places in scriptures where people were given the Holy Ghost BEFORE Baptism, proving salvation BEFORE baptism.
Ac 10:45
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ac 10:46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Ac 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Ac 10:48
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
They had recieved the Holy Spirit before baptism. This is the whole point of the thread right? I mean, the whole point of even discussing this infant baptism theology always boils down to either salvation BEFORE baptism or AFTER baptism. There are plenty of scriptures proving salvation before baptism, a LOT more than these far reaches for infant baptism.
GEL
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