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Well here we go....finally...this is what I've been trying to get at. How did your average white person "exploit" this situation for so much gain? That's what white privilege is...right?
Are you talking about the average white person from today, or from back when the bad things were going on...because those are two different scenarios.
Back then, simply being a white person gave you certain advantages in that certain groups being intentionally boxed out of certain careers and societal aspects meant that even if a person wasn't racist, they're still benefiting from the fact that they have less competition for jobs and other things.
That should be a fairly simple concept if there are 10 people, and an employer specifically says "no matter what, I'm not going to hire those 2 because I feel they're inferior", then if you're one of the remaining 8...your chances of landing that job just went from 1/10 to 1/8...which is a clear advantage.
As far as today is concerned, that gap has definitely closed substantially, but still exists. Regardless of what anyone says, if you go to areas of the south, you're still more likely to be considered for a job if you're white vs. if you're black...even though there are laws against it, employers just have to think of another vague reason for those choices to CYA if they ever get called on it. For instance "I just think this person wasn't the right fit", etc...
And again, if you're a white person in that area, even if you're not racist and abhor racism, you're still benefiting from that other person's racism because it's eliminating a little bit of your competition for jobs, housing, etc...
I'll come back to this after you reply to the above. It seems like after 5 pages or so...you're almost at telling me what white privilege is.
No, I've explained it in various ways in this thread, you're just continuing to try to goad me or trick me into answering in a way that validates your position or that makes it look like I'm making uneducated or blanket statements when that's definitely not the case.
That's the mistake people make when discussing this topic...some people want to instantly take it as a slap in the face (I used to and I used to passionately argue against the notion of white privilege about a year or two ago if you go back and read my historical posts on the matter).
"Oh, so they're claiming I didn't work hard, and the only reason I'm successful is because dumb luck of being born white!" ...that's the defensive stance I would rush to as well.
...but the more you listen to the other side, and actually delve into the subject, the more you realize that's not what it's about. It's not about trying to diminish the accomplishments of white people who have worked hard, and it's not trying to claim that every white person is somehow bad or racist. It's about provided an explanation for the current state of certain minority communities and getting rid of this stigma that "it's their own dang fault they're in this situation", when the answer isn't that simple.
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