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HbC hemoglogin mutant provides protection against Malaria, without the life-threatening consequences of homozyousity found with HbS
Hemoglobin C - Wikipedia

If you are talking about the side benefit of sickle cell anemia- I do not think anyone calls that favorable.

Science 02 Jul 2010:
Vol. 329, Issue 5987, pp. 75-78

Sequencing of 50 Human Exomes Reveals Adaptation to High Altitude

Adaptation- a predicted event in YEC science. Now show how this is not a normal variation within a range and is truly a mutation that added information not present before.

ApoA-1 Milano
The Milano mutation,which provides almost complete immunity to hardening of arteries.
ApoA-1 Milano - Wikipedia

Traced back to an individual over 100 years ago. It affects only 3% of a family of a small Italian town. .

Apo-AIM bone density mutation prevents broken bones and age-related osteoporosis
4 beneficial evolutionary mutations that humans are undergoing right now

I was posed with prior. It affects one family and the results are inconclusive as to why. It could be just higher metabolizing of calcium and vit. D. Also what is the normal range of density in a large population? We need to know that to know if this is a mutation as you allege or just this family on teh high end of the range. But nice try.

But let us give you these (though I disagree) You show 4 possible positive mutations, that are not known to have popped up undesigned, unplanned and random versus 5,000 known human disorders caused by mutations. and one of your "beneficial " mutations is just a side effect of a very debillitating mutation!

So if we conclude that the other three mutations (we must exclude malaria) once again we see negative mutations in the population outnumber the positive. it is 99.94% harmful to .06% beneficial.

And once again this is a horizontal benefit. Not an ascent as macroevolution demands.

But if you meant "evolutionary theory", then of course we have that. The atheistic scientist Fred Hoyle accepted evolution and denied the Big Bang. In fact he gave it that name as an insult.

And you have to go the semi distant past (70 years) to find an example! If I remember correctly he believed in an eternal universe (maybe even the oscillating theory though I am not sure) Back then the Big Bang had not a very large following as it was still a fairly new hypothesis. Try someone from the last ten or twenty years since the big bang is well established. And don't do panspermia- for that just kicks the can to another location.

which is being discarded due to its problem with the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot have eternal space/time'/matter without it long ago going to full entropic energy. That is a law!
 
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Saying "everything has been made by design" is not saying everything was created in 6 days. Let's be careful not to fill the missing information with our bias.

Well the bible as written and not reinterpreted says explicitly and specifically 6 24 hour days. ID will not say that in general.

Our choice is trust the god who was there and could have easily said he created everything in long time periods, or trust men who were not there, using unprovable and fatally flawed methods of dating and painting vivid pictures of what THEY THINK the past could have been like?
 
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(Nolidad is stunned to learn that there are many favorable human mutations)

If you are talking about the side benefit of sickle cell anemia- I do not think anyone calls that favorable.

Nope. It illustrates a fact about evolution. Usually, the first step is better, but not optimal. HbS, (sickle cell allele) increases fitness in a population where malaria is endemic. If two people heterozygous for HbS have children, then the likelihood is that half of them will not get malaria, 1/4 will get malaria and likely die before reproducing, and 1/4 will get a disease that will end life very early. Two people with normal Hb will have all children who will get malaria, and likely die without reproducing. So, it's a benefit, with a big drawback. Better than normal Hb, but still not optimal.

Usually, evolution follows on with a better solution. Now, in malaria areas, HbC, which provides good protection but does not produce life-threatening disability in homozygotes, is spreading. Both are favorable mutations, because they increase the likelihood that people having them will have viable offspring. But the second is better. Do you see why?

Numerous mutations aided Tibetans in adapting to life at high altitudes.

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Adaptation- a predicted event in YEC science.

Nope. These favorable mutations have evolved in the Tibetan population as a result of the physiological challenges of life at high altitudes. Again, you're struggling to find a way to accommodate favorable human mutations into YEC dogma. Not possible.

Now show how this is not a normal variation within a range

The mutations are found in Tibetans and not in other populations, because natural selection wouldn't favor them, unless they enhanced survival. It's not "normal" in other populations, even in Han Chinese who are otherwise very similar genetically to Tibetans, but it's virtually universal in Tibetan populations. Interestingly, at least one of these mutations was from Denesovans.

and is truly a mutation that added information not present before.

All new mutations add information. Because you have no idea what "information" means, or even how to calculate it, that word is just something you toss in to make your posts sound sciencey. Everyone notices.

(Barbarian mentions a very recent one, the Milano mutation.)

Traced back to an individual over 100 years ago. It affects only 3% of a family of a small Italian town. .

And increasing over time. For the obvious reason. That's how favorable mutations work. How would you expect it to appear in someone unrelated to the man who first had it.

Apo-AIM bone density mutation prevents broken bones and age-related osteoporosis

I was posed with prior. It affects one family

Again, a new mutation will show up only in the family that has it. Do you realize how silly your excuse sounds?

and the results are inconclusive as to why.

They know why. This useful new mutation increases bone density. They aren't sure how it works, but it does work. Another favorable human mutation.

We need to know that to know if this is a mutation as you allege

The specific mutation has been identified. Says so in the title. But nice try.

But let us give you these (though I disagree)

Doesn't matter. And there are many thousands of these that occurred farther back, became fixed in the population and we can no longer trace them. We know this is a fact, because of the effect on native American populations when Europeans got here. Diseases that were manageable or just nuisances spread like wildfire in the native American population lacking the mutations that provided resistance. Entire civlizations fell before the Europeans even got to some areas; their diseases had preceded them.

and one of your "beneficial " mutations is just a side effect of a very debillitating mutation!

Nope. See above. Remember when I told you that ignorance was your enemy? It got you again.

So if we conclude that the other three mutations (we must exclude malaria) once again we see negative mutations in the population outnumber the positive. it is 99.94% harmful to .06% beneficial.

Nope. You merely assumed that the only favorable mutations in humans happened recently enough for us to document them. You denied favorable mutations in humans. I showed you some examples. Ignorance is your enemy. And making up stories about what you think it is, won't help you.



And once again this is a horizontal benefit. Not an ascent as macroevolution demands.



And you have to go the semi distant past (70 years) to find an example! If I remember correctly he believed in an eternal universe (maybe even the oscillating theory though I am not sure) Back then the Big Bang had not a very large following as it was still a fairly new hypothesis. Try someone from the last ten or twenty years since the big bang is well established. And don't do panspermia- for that just kicks the can to another location.

which is being discarded due to its problem with the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot have eternal space/time'/matter without it long ago going to full entropic energy. That is a law![/QUOTE]
 
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I'm talking about the 1000 scientist who signed the open letter not yours and my personal take on it
 
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There is no Biblical "kind." It's just a word creationists made up to support their new religious beliefs.

Acting completely unintelligent is also unbecoming of you!

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Your intentional misuse of Scripture is remarkably garish!

Your not so subtle ad-hominems directed against YEC scientists implying they are liars is even worse!
 
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Barbarian points out that "kind" is not a biblical term.


So you're telling me that "bring" and "fruit" and "was" are Biblical terms because you can find them used in the Bible? Seriously?

Your not so subtle ad-hominems directed against YEC scientists implying they are liars is even worse!

Most YECs aren't liars. Kurt Wise is honest to the point that it's painful for him. But there are many liars among YEC. Would you like to learn about some of them?
 
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So you're telling me that "bring" and "fruit" and "was" are Biblical terms because you can find them used in the Bible? Seriously?

Well Mr. accuser, you are the one that is saying baramin (kind) is not a biblical term when I showed you it was. Bring you r evidence and stop your second grade games with inserting words like fruit and bring and was and seeking to muddy the waters. Seriously- I thought you were a senior citizen.

eithier show baramin was inserted by YEC believers or keep silent.


Most YECs aren't liars. Kurt Wise is honest to the point that it's painful for him. But there are many liars among YEC. Would you like to learn about some of them?

Would you like to learn that Wise when he wrote you r link 25 years ago did not believe in naturalistic or theistic evolution? I am sure you already know how you pulled His words out of his thoughts and context in what he wrote and are using them deceptively to try to point out something not true !

So as you keep saying YEC scientists mislead us- and now you say they are not liars- what are you implying they are?
 
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Barbarian points out that "kind" is not a biblical term.

Nobody else uses that term! find me an equivalent of baramin in any other writings!

I am surprised you are not defending your phony "positive mutations".
 
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(Barbarian points out that "kind" is not a biblical term.)

Nobody else uses that term!

I think you're wrong...(Barbarian checks)
noun
a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common; category: Our dog is the same kind as theirs.
nature or character as determining likeness or difference between things: These differ in degree rather than in kind.
a person or thing as being of a particular character or class: He is a strange kind of hero.
a more or less adequate or inadequate example of something; sort: The vines formed a kind of roof.
Archaic.

  1. the nature, or natural disposition or character.
  2. manner; form.
Obsolete. gender; sex.
- dictionary.com

Yep. You're really wrong.

find me an equivalent of baramin in any other writings!

One place you won't find it, is in the Bible. If it was, it would be "min baru." But of course, it's not there. Only the vague (see definitions) "kind."

I am surprised you are not defending your phony "positive mutations".

I showed you a list of some that are recent enough to actually source out. No point in you denying the fact. You even conceded the fact, but seem to have now reneged.
 
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Well Mr. accuser, you are the one that is saying baramin (kind) is not a biblical term

It's not. You won't find "barmin" in the Bible. Rather, it's the vague "kind." "Baramin" isn't even grammatical Hebrew.

Bring you r evidence and stop your second grade games with inserting words like fruit and bring and was and seeking to muddy the waters.

Just pointing out that if a word appears in the Bible, that doesn't make it a religious term.

eithier show baramin was inserted by YEC believers or keep silent.

(Barbarian checks)

There is some uncertainty about what exactly the Bible means when it talks of "kinds." Creationist Brian Nelson claimed "While the Bible allows that new varieties may have arisen since the creative days, it denies that any new species have arisen." However, Russell Mixter, another creationist writer, said that "One should not insist that "kind" means species. The word "kind" as used in the Bible may apply to any animal which may be distinguished in any way from another, or it may be applied to a large group of species distinguishable from another group ... there is plenty of room for differences of opinion on what are the kinds of Genesis."

Frank Lewis Marsh coined the term baramin in his book Fundamental Biology (1941) and expanded on the concept in Evolution, Creation, and Science (c. 1944)

Created kind - Wikipedia

I'm pretty sure Frank Lewis Marsh didn't write the Bible, unless "Frank Lewis Marsh" is a nom de plume for "Yahweh."

Would you like to learn that Wise when he wrote you r link 25 years ago did not believe in naturalistic or theistic evolution?

I've told you several times that he didn't. It's just that he is honest enough to admit the truth. Which is that the numerous series of transitional forms are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."

I am sure you already know how you pulled His words out of his thoughts and context in what he wrote and are using them deceptively to try to point out something not true !

I linked you to the article so you could see for yourself. What he said is what he believes.

So as you keep saying YEC scientists mislead us

As I pointed out to you several times, there are many decent and honest YECs, some of whom, like Wise and Harold Coffin, who will freely admit the evidence indicates common descent and/or great age for the Earth.

and now you say they are not liars- what are you implying they are?

Again, it is true, as you say, that some of them have lied about the evidence. But I wouldn't tar them all with that. As I said before, many of them are honest.
 
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So it is a biblical term others use! Okay I am wrong. But the bible used it first!

It's not. You won't find "barmin" in the Bible. Rather, it's the vague "kind." "Baramin" isn't even grammatical Hebrew.

Well the kind is miyn! He created is bara. so Baramin is He created kinds. and yes it is grammatical hebrew!

I showed you a list of some that are recent enough to actually source out. No point in you denying the fact. You even conceded the fact, but seem to have now reneged.

And I debunked them as vague untested (except the malaria) things they are. These things exist in the real world. but they are far from saying they are unplanned undirected mutations that HAPPENED RANDOMLY! THAT IS THE REQUISITE OF EVOLUTION!

Frank Lewis Marsh coined the term baramin in his book Fundamental Biology (1941) and expanded on the concept in Evolution, Creation, and Science (c. 1944)
Created kind - Wikipedia

Isn't it amazing! I looked it up in a 11 volume Hebrew commentary of the OT from the mid 19th century and they have that word being used by ancient rabbis! Maybe they didn't get teh memo to wait for a century!

Again, a new mutation will show up only in the family that has it. Do you realize how silly your excuse sounds?


If you wish to play this deceptive little game- then I will quote evolutionist Ernst Haeckl ! Really quoting things from 60 and 70 years ago is truly dishonest.

But now do not go past 1950 in citing evolutionists!

Harold Coffin

As I pointed out to you several times, there are many decent and honest YECs, some of whom, like Wise and Harold Coffin, who will freely admit the evidence indicates common descent and/or great age for the Earth.

Once again I call into question your integrity in a debate! Wise never believed in old ages you cannot be a YEC and believe in long ages. INtegrity fail one!


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Wise has said he believes, according to a literal reading of the Bible, "that the earth is young, and the universe is young, I would suggest that it's less than ten thousand years in age." He believes that science can be used to support and demonstrate these claims.[7]Despite believing that science supports his position, Wise has written that:

Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate.[8]

Mixter is a progressive creationst- you know that is not a YEC but a belief in evolution with God directing it!
Integrity fail 2


Well show us the mutation form the denesovans!
People in higher altitudes adapt to thinner altitudes! You have yet to show this is not natural built in variation within mankind!

that is also why many African marathon runners do very well! They live and train in higher climes with thinner atmospheres so when they rin say a Boston Marathin they can endure faster speeds longer because their bodies are receiving much more oxygen! that was medically proved long ago! No mutation just normal adaptation!

All new mutations add information. Because you have no idea what "information" means, or even how to calculate it, that word is just something you toss in to make your posts sound sciencey. Everyone notices.

Are you sure you were a biologist? Most mutations decrease iniformation in teh genome! Not add mutation.

Unless of course you are referring to an arcane school of thought in evolutionism. then once again we have a buffet of choices.

And I also can't believe that you would defend sickle cell anemia as positive! While it may grant an immunity to malaria- it is a negative mutation and reduced the viability of the hosts! shame on you!
 
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So it is a biblical term others use!

No. Not in the Bible.

Well the kind is miyn! He created is bara. so Baramin is He created kinds. and yes it is grammatical hebrew!

No. Properly used, it would be "min baru."

Barbarian demonstrates a number of favorable mutations.

And I debunked them as vague untested

No, that's wrong. All of these have been extensively tested. I showed you research papers. Would you like to see some more?

These things exist in the real world. but they are far from saying they are unplanned undirected mutations that HAPPENED RANDOMLY!

Luria and Delbruck got their Nobels for demonstrating that mutations occur randomly. So that's not an issue.

Isn't it amazing! I looked it up in a 11 volume Hebrew commentary of the OT from the mid 19th century and they have that word being used by ancient rabbis!

That would indeed be modern, but less modern than mid-20th century. Still not Biblical or orthodoxy.

There is some uncertainty about what exactly the Bible means when it talks of "kinds." Creationist Brian Nelson claimed "While the Bible allows that new varieties may have arisen since the creative days, it denies that any new species have arisen." However, Russell Mixter, another creationist writer, said that "One should not insist that "kind" means species. The word "kind" as used in the Bible may apply to any animal which may be distinguished in any way from another, or it may be applied to a large group of species distinguishable from another group ... there is plenty of room for differences of opinion on what are the kinds of Genesis.

If you wish to play this deceptive little game- then I will quote evolutionist Ernst Haeckl !

By all means, do so. There's a hidden lesson therein for you. Tell us about Haeckl.

Really quoting things from 60 and 70 years ago is truly dishonest.

I've never thought of truth become falsehood after a few decades. How do you think that works?

Barbarian observes:
As I pointed out to you several times, there are many decent and honest YECs, some of whom, like Wise and Harold Coffin, who will freely admit the evidence indicates common descent and/or great age for the Earth.

Once again I call into question your integrity in a debate! Wise never believed in old ages

Didn't say he did. Coffin, for example, is a YEC, and he testified that if it weren't for his reading of scripture, the evidence would convince him that the Earth was very old. Likewise, Kurt Wise merely says that the large number of series of transitional forms is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory. He doesn't say he believes it's true; he merely notes that it's very good evidence.

He freely admits that no amount of evidence would shake his faith in a young Earth.
Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turned against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate.

you cannot be a YEC and believe in long ages.

No one said you could. That's a statement you made up and pretended I said. Integrity fail one!

Mixter is a progressive creationst- you know that is not a YEC but a belief in evolution with God directing it!

I said (Mixter?) was a YEC? (Barbarian checks) Can't find that. Could you avoid integrity fail 2 by showing me where I did.

Well show us the mutation form the denesovans!

The team also compared the full EPAS1 gene between populations around the world and confirmed that the Tibetans’ inherited the entire gene from Denisovans in the past 40,000 years or so—or from an even earlier ancestor that carried that DNA and passed it on to both Denisovans and modern humans. But they ruled out the second scenario—that the gene was inherited from the last ancestor that modern humans shared with Denisovans more than 400,000 years ago because such a large gene, or segment of DNA, would have accumulated mutations and broken up over that much time—and the Tibetans’ and Denisovans’ versions of the gene wouldn’t match as closely as they do today.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/07/tibetans-inherited-high-altitude-gene-ancient-human


People in higher altitudes adapt to thinner altitudes!

All humans can do that by making more RBCs. But that causes health problems, particularly with childbearing. The EPAS1 allele doesn't work like that. People with that allele don't have to make so many RBCs.

You have yet to show this is not natural built in variation within mankind!

The allele was present in Denesovans, and now is limited mostly to Tibetans, with some in nearby Han Chinese. I would expect it to be found in small percentages in southeast Asians and Polynesians. (Barbarian checks)

I don't see that anyone has checked. But since those populations were also partially descended from Denesovans, I'll bet that allele has some frequency in SE Asia and Polynesia.


Kenyan runners would be ill on the Tibetan plateau. You can only cram so many RBCs into a liter of blood. As you just learned, the EPAS1 allele handles it differently.

Hematology. 2018 Jun;23(5):309-313. doi: 10.1080/10245332.2017.1396046. Epub 2017 Nov 12.
Investigation of the differences between the Tibetan and Han populations in the hemoglobin-oxygen affinity of red blood cells and in the adaptation to high-altitude environments.
RESULTS:
The Han population that rapidly entered the plateau had increasing higher P50 values, RBCs counts and hemoglobin (HGB) levels, while the acclimatized Han population, the plateau Han population and Tibetan all had significantly lower P50 values. However, there were no significant differences in the RBCs counts and HGB levels between the plateau Han, Tibetan populations and the Han population of the plains.

DISCUSSION:
The adaptability of the Tibetan and plateau Han populations to the plateau was mainly due to the strong affinity of HGB for oxygen, which provided sufficient oxygen for tissues and organs.

CONCLUSIONS:
The change of P50 could be a feature of the adaptation to the plateau and to avoid altitude sickness, such as high-altitude polycythemia and dyspnea.

Are you sure you were a biologist?

Two major universities and a series of employers thought so...

Most mutations decrease iniformation in teh genome!

No, that's wrong. All new mutations add information. Because you don't know what "information" is, or even how to calculate it, you've misunderstood how information changes in a population.

And I also can't believe that you would defend sickle cell anemia as positive!

As you learned, being a heterozygote for HbS is a great advantage in areas where malaria is endemic. It means that you won't be crippled or killed by the disease, while most of your unprotected fellows will. The downside is a child of two heterozygotes has a one in four chance of getting two HbS alleles,which causes sickle cell disease and usually early death.

On the other hand, such a child has a 50 percent likelihood of being a heterozygote, and thereby avoiding both malaria and sickle cell disease. And of course, he has a 25 percent likelihood of being a homozygote for normal Hb, meaning likely disability or death from malaria.

Since the offspring of two homozygotes for normal Hb are likely to become infected with malaria and become disabled or killed by the disease, the offspring of two heterozygotes are more likely to survive long enough to reproduce, and so the mutation will increase in the population.

However, as you learned, the first adaptation to environments is often not optimal. Which is why HbC is replacing HbS in malaria areas. HbC provides protection but rarely causes severe health problems. It's a more favorable mutation, since homozygotes for HbC don't end up crippled or dead.

While it may grant an immunity to malaria- it is a negative mutation and reduced the viability of the hosts!

See above. Careful reading would have spared you this embarrassment.
 
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No they do not, a bear is still just a bear, and a fish is still just a fish and humans are still just humans.

saying a fish is still a fish is like saying, evolution can't happen because humans coming from apes is still a mamal.
 
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saying a fish is still a fish is like saying, evolution can't happen because humans coming from apes is still a mamal.


Not at all! Big E evolution demands that a fish became a n amphibian, which eventually became a reptile, which became a bird!

But teh fossil record nowhere shows that! Opinions of evolutionists will try convince one it does but the answer is no!
 
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Hi myst,

Well, I've actually read the Scriptures. I think it's a fairly obvious conclusion that, as regards the things of God, there's never going to be any majority on God's side. Maybe if we were talking about some understanding of the 'church', we could drum up a majority, but in the world? Phsssh! It ain't ever gonna happen.

So, I say that just to say that when we compare what Jesus said about the way of destruction being wide and broad and many their be and the way of righteousness being narrow and straight and few their be, I imagine 1,000 is a pretty fair representation of what we should expect as the ratio of those who believe God and those who don't.

We are never going to be able to say, outside of the walls of a worship center, that any majority is with God.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Not at all! Big E evolution demands that a fish became a n amphibian, which eventually became a reptile, which became a bird!

But teh fossil record nowhere shows that! Opinions of evolutionists will try convince one it does but the answer is no!

some fish are as seperated from other fish as humans are to apes and such, many even further then that.
 
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I do not think its "these believe God and the others not".

I think its "these believe the YEC and the others not".
 
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some fish are as seperated from other fish as humans are to apes and such, many even further then that.


Well as humans and apes are two different created kinds, I would not say fish are as separate. Youhave all sizes shapes of ppeople and same with fish.
 
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myst33 said:
I think these are all the same people believing in YEC or ID, signing such things whenever possible.

To find 1,000 YEC creationists from all over the world is not a sign of something "growing", they would all fit into one average building.

For example, my country (Czech republic) has 40,000 scientists working in science or research. The statement is signed only by 3 of them. This is how "growing" it is.


Well you will be surprised to learn that CRS, an organization of YEC scientists and teachers has over 15,000 signatories worldwide. Many others will not sign (especially in america) for fear of losing their positions.

When Young earth and the evolutions are presented side by side in a science class- YEC always gets the majority- that is why it is so fiercely fought against.

The majority of Americans polled believe in a YOng Created Earth despite many of those being indoctrinated all their school years in teh dogmas of evolution.
 
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No. Properly used, it would be "min baru."

No properly carried over to English- it is baramin!


Yes kinds is not an absolute definition. At best the YEC scientists will only say they represent gensus/and or family.


And you are being dishonest again. Pulling their thoughts out of context. NO YEC scientist believes in long long ages.

You listed a scientist as a creation but was a progressive creationist. You intentionally left out the fact He believed God used evolutionary processes to make minds think he was a true creationist as in YEC. Stop these deceptive ruses.

No, that's wrong. All new mutations add information. Because you don't know what "information" is, or even how to calculate it, you've misunderstood how information changes in a population.

Now I am questioning the allegation you are or were a microbiologist.
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