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Well I wonder if now 24 years later, hold the same view given that the whale and horse series have both been debunkd by both sides of the aisle!

You've been badly misled about that. For example, we now have so many horse fossils that we can often trace species to species evolution. And of course, the predicted transitionals between Odontocetes and Mysticetes have since been found, verifying that evolutionary change.

And if I understood correctly, he is talking about "macroevolutionary changes" within a kind.

If you consider dinosaurs and birds to be one kind. Or if you consider apes and humans to be one kind, yes. But "kind" is a religious term that has no technical meaning in science. Lacks a testable definition.

But given the wqay he writes, he is not promoting macroevolution (which he clearly said he rejects),

Of course. He's just quite honest, and therefore admits that the numerous transitional series are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." His point is that he anticipates someday, there will be a reasonable creationist interpretation of the evidence.

And here is an article showing the proven frauds!

If you think so, present what you think the best evidence is, and we'll take a look. I'm guessing you have no idea, but just want us to watch a propaganda video.

But maybe I'm wrong. What have you got to show us?
 
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So the Nasa scientist was a YEC?

I'm guessing he was talking about something humans did. Humans, being limited creatures, must design. God, being omnipotent and omniscient, creates.
 
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I'm guessing he was talking about something humans did. Humans, being limited creatures, must design. God, being omnipotent and omniscient, creates.

Seems to me if it was an invention, which of course it isn't, that the NASA scientist that came up with the idea , who I would guess was not a YEC, would have to be considered the inventor.
 
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As Woodmorappe would! He is a YEC and rejects evolution as secularists and theistic evolutionists define it.

Well once again all we have is our mystery e-mail which is not here. But we do have Woodmorappe's multiple writings and they contradict your e-mail.

And AIG denies evolutionisms' definition of speciation- but not speciation in general. It is an observed and testable and repeatable phenomena.
 
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No we can trace species to species variation. Evolution is the mutation of genetics that adds new and previously unknown information to a genome of a species. Variation is not dsarwinian evolution or whatever term you may want to use.

Well whales and dolphins transitonals have been completely debunked.
 
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If you consider dinosaurs and birds to be one kind. Or if you consider apes and humans to be one kind, yes. But "kind" is a religious term that has no technical meaning in science. Lacks a testable definition.

Well we can make many kinds of creatures to be of a same kind depending on what arbitrary8 criteria we wish to use.

Bipedalism, hair or fur location of nostrils.

But man and ape are not the same biblical kind. Apes were created man was formed!



And now you are being deviously deceptive. You have taken info from one thought and joined it with info from another thought! Woodmorappe rejects natural and theistic evolution. He wrote that in the light of creationist paleontology was in its infancy!

Woodmorappe would never advocate or suggest that creationists would someday embrace some form of naturalistic evolution. The whole article screams against it. He just was saying that Creatioists have not had the timeand resources that secularists have to go indepth at that point 25 years ago! Once again you have an imagined e-mail, I will rely on his public writings in context.

If you think so, present what you think the best evidence is, and we'll take a look. I'm guessing you have no idea, but just want us to watch a propaganda video.

But maybe I'm wrong. What have you got to show us?

I gasve you three videos, with interviews with secular evolutionists showing they added limbs that were not there and further discoveries debunked their artist conceptions. If you care not to watch them or heed them- that is your problem.
 
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No we can trace species to species variation.

As you learned, variation within a species is microevolution. Species to species variation is macroevolution.

Evolution is the mutation...

No. Evolution is a change in allele frequency in a population over time. Mutation is merely an alteration of a gene.

of genetics that adds new and previously unknown information to a genome of a species.

No. Unknown by whom? And how do you measure how much information is added?

Variation is not dsarwinian evolution

You just cited Darwin's theory as it is in the Modern Synthesis. Again, if you'd learn the terms and principles involved, you'd be a lot more effective here.

Well whales and dolphins transitonals have been completely debunked.

Even YECs like Wise say otherwise...

At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60(Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetuswith the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one- third smaller;67Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs: toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series. Because the land mammal-to-whale transition (theorized by macroevolutionary theory and evidenced by the fossil record) is a land-to-sea transition, the relative order of land mammals, archaeocetes, and modern whales is not explainable in the conventional Flood geology method (transgressing Flood waters). Furthermore, whale fossils are only known in Cenozoic (and thus post-Flood) sediments.71 This seems to run counter to the intuitive expectation that the whales should have been found in or even throughout Flood sediments.At present creation theory has no good explanation for the fossil record of whales.

Show us how creationists have solved these problems with their new religious beliefs.
 
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(nolidad says that fossil transitions are only known within a "kind")

If you consider dinosaurs and birds to be one kind. Or if you consider apes and humans to be one kind, yes. But "kind" is a religious term that has no technical meaning in science. Lacks a testable definition.

Well we can make many kinds of creatures to be of a same kind depending on what arbitrary8 criteria we wish to use.

Precisely. Because there is no testable definition of "kind" creationists twist and stretch it to mean whatever they want it to mean in a particular instance. So all canids are one "kind" they say, but apes are not one "kind." (because using the term "kind" consistently would put humans and other apes in the same "kind."

But man and ape are not the same biblical kind.

There is no Biblical "kind." It's just a word creationists made up to support their new religious beliefs.

(nolidad says humans were "formed", not created.)

We'll just have to disagree with that. God created all things.

Barbarian, regarding Kurt Wise's opinion:
Of course. He's just quite honest, and therefore admits that the numerous transitional series are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." His point is that he anticipates someday, there will be a reasonable creationist interpretation of the evidence.

And now you are being deviously deceptive.

See above. He clearly says what I told you he said. Do you think no one knows this?

Woodmorappe rejects natural and theistic evolution.

Wrong guy. Under another name, Woodmorappe has written favorable comments about evolution, BTW.

He wrote that in the light of creationist paleontology was in its infancy!

Still is. Creationists still have no way to explain whales, as Wise mentions.

Woodmorappe would never advocate or suggest that creationists would someday embrace some form of naturalistic evolution.

No one said he did. I think you're confusing Woodmorappe with Wise, here.

The whole article screams against it. He just was saying that Creatioists have not had the timeand resources that secularists have to go indepth at that point 25 years ago!

Yep. You're confusing things. Back up and try again?

I gasve you three videos,

A creationist video. How unique. I suggested you present whatever you felt was a compelling argument from the video,and you declined to say. Which pretty much tells us all we need to know about those videos.

But since you've brought up false limbs as an accusation, go ahead and post your argument with checkable sources,and we'll take a look.

What have you got?
 
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As you learned, variation within a species is microevolution. Species to species variation is macroevolution.

Well to teh evolutionary mindset it is called microevolution. But to YEC, even though the term isused because it is well known- it is simply variation.

Species to species variation is not macroevolution:

mac·ro·ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌmakrō-evəˈlo͞oSHən,-ˌēvə-/
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noun
BIOLOGY
  1. major evolutionary change. The term applies mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time.
But then again here is another buffet line of options evolutionist slet us guess at.

No. Evolution is a change in allele frequency in a population over time. Mutation is merely an alteration of a gene.

Again we get to choose from column a or column b

al·lele
/əˈlēl/
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noun
GENETICS
  1. one of two or more alternative forms of a gene that arise by mutation and are found at the same place on a chromosome.
  2. IOW genetic mutation.
And given that almost all mutations reduce the viability or reproductive vibrancy of the host and its population- evolution that goes from goo to you by way of the zoo is very very very very very very daunting.

But most to choose to believe that mathematical impossibility because they think it keeps them from being responsible before a Holy god

No. Unknown by whom? And how do you measure how much information is added?

Hey its what you believe in. Feathers had to evolve sometime! there were critters with no feathers- so feathers was new and previously uncoded for info.

And no feathers are not anatomically identical to scutes and scales as you falsely alleged.

DISCUSSION

The fossil record lacks any evidence of intermediate forms (hence, of homology) between scales and hairs. In addition, hairs in mammals, feathers and feet scales in birds, and scales in reptiles exhibit substantial differences in morphogenesis. Finally, the presence and absence of β-proteins [a family of proteins unrelated to α-keratins (41, 42)] in skin appendages of sauropsids (birds and reptiles) and in those of synapsids (mammals), respectively, only added to the confusion. All these considerations have, for decades, fostered the debate on the homology, or lack thereof, among these skin appendages and led some authors (3,5, 8) to conclude that homologous skin appendages do not exist beyond amniote classes (reptiles, mammals, and birds); that is, mammalian hair and avian feather would not have evolved from reptilian overlapping scales.

Hair, feathers, and scales: An evolutionary tale | Science in the Classroom

Even YECs like Wise say otherwise...

And we have shown how this 25 year old writing by Wise has been debunked by modern evidence and confessions of fraud by evolutionists.

Repeating this over and over will not make it true. He did not accept evolution then nor does he now! but you know that.

You just cited Darwin's theory as it is in the Modern Synthesis. Again, if you'd learn the terms and principles involved, you'd be a lot more effective here.

But you know that when a YEC scientist uses the term variation- it is not equated to secular evolutionary hypotheses. That is you just trying to muddy the discussion again.

Did you memorize Alinsky's rules??? It appears you have!
 
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We'll just have to disagree with that. God created all things.

Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Only man was "handformed" and life breathed into by God. Everything else was brought forth by simple command!

I will take gods Word over yours every day and twice on Sunday!
 
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Well to teh evolutionary mindset it is called microevolution.

No. Because "evolution" has a very precise and testable defintion, we can use it in scientific discussions, as can "microevolution" and "macroevolution."

But to YEC, even though the term isused because it is well known- it is simply variation.

Species to species variation is not macroevolution:

The definition you just offered says it is:

mac·ro·ev·o·lu·tion
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BIOLOGY


  1. major evolutionary change. The term applies mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time.
And that's what "speciation" means.
Again we get to choose from column a or column b.

And here, you messed up yet again...

al·lele
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GENETICS


  1. one of two or more alternative forms of a gene that arise by mutation and are found at the same place on a chromosome.
  2. IOW genetic mutation.
An allele is indeed a mutation that produces an alternative form of a gene. That's what both definitions say.
And given that almost all mutations reduce the viability or reproductive vibrancy of the host and its population

They lied to you about that. Most mutations don't have any effects at all. A few are harmful, and a very few are useful. Natural selection sorts them out.

evolution that goes from goo to you by way of the zoo is ...

... a YEC attempt to conflate evolution with the origin of life. It's one of the major reasons creationists are considered to be dishonest.

Population geneticists look at such things,and they have noted that mutation rates and favorable mutations are mathematically optimal for different sorts of organisms. T

But most YECs choose to ignore the math because they don't approve the way God produced variation in living things.

Barbarian calls noiidad's "information" bluff:
No. Unknown by whom? And how do you measure how much information is added?

Hey its what you believe in.

No, it's not. "Information" has a precise definition, and is mathematically determined. So let's see your numbers. You really just made that up, didn't you? Admit it, you don't even know how to determine "information" in a population, do you?

And no feathers are not anatomically identical to scutes and scales as you falsely alleged.

This is the second time you lied about what I said. No one here said they were identical. You know this. Do you think people don't notice when you do that kind of thing? They are very similar, and as you learned primitive feathers can be induced in alligators by a single genetic change.

The fossil record lacks any evidence of intermediate forms (hence, of homology) between scales and hairs.

Except for Longisquama insignins. And here's the part you deleted...


In addition, the shared localized dermal signaling during the development of placodes in all amniotes makes the independent evolution of a dermal condensate in avian and mammalian follicles much less surprising than previously anticipated. The development of dermal osteoderms (44), which are associated with some epidermal scales in crocodiles and in some lizards, might even suggest that the dermal condensation abilities of the dermis constitute a deep homology among all amniotes. This hypothesis could be further tested by investigating, during reptile scale morphogenesis, the potential expression of other signaling molecules known to be dermal condensation markers in mammals and/or birds (12,45, 46).

It has been previously hypothesized (47) that reptilian scales are more similar to avian reticulate scales (covering the foot pad) than to both avian scutate scales (covering the anterior metatarsal region) and feathers. Our results argue against that hypothesis as, contrary to avian reticulate scales, squamate scales, avian scutate scales, and avian feathers all form from an anatomical placode and all exhibit dermal signaling. Our results are consistent with the observation that reticulate scales are non-overlapping and composed only of α-keratin, whereas avian scutate and reptilian scales are mostly overlapping and composed of both α-keratins and β-proteins. Note that previous studies in chicken (including the mutant scaleless chicken) have shown that reticulate scales exhibit peculiar morphogenesis with alteration of proliferation patterns and of conserved signaling pathways (8, 25, 48), further suggesting that they are derived structures with little developmental similarities to reptilian scales.
Hair, feathers, and scales: An evolutionary tale | Science in the Classroom

Here you posted a report that directly states what you were hoping to refute. Because you really don't understand the issue, you've just proven my point for me.

And we have shown how this 25 year old writing by Wise has been debunked by modern evidence and confessions of fraud by evolutionists.

Nope. You've just tossed out accusations with nothing to back them up. And you've declined to do so after repeated requests. Do you think anyone here doesn't notice?

Repeating unsupported accusations over and over will not make it true. And yes, Wise is a YEC creationist. If you look back, you'll find that I told you that when I introduced him to the thread. He's an honest YEC though, and this is what you find objectionable in his work.

But you know that when a YEC scientist uses the term variation- it is not equated to secular evolutionary hypotheses.

Wise's point was that the large number of documented transitional series in the fossil record is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." It is. He expresses hope that there will be,someday, a YEC explanation for them.

Did you memorize Alinsky's rules???

It appears you have. Instead of dodging and making excuses, how about showing us whatever arguments you find persuasive in the video? Be sure to document with checkable sources.

Or fall back on your hero, Alinsky, and do it his way.
 
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(nolidad denies man was created)

Barbarian observes:
We'll just have to disagree with that. God created all things.

Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So man was brought forth from the Earth as the other animals were. But God gave him an immortal soul. How do you think that means he wasn't created by God?

I will take Gods Word over yours every day.
 
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They lied to you about that. Most mutations don't have any effects at all. A few are harmful, and a very few are useful. Natural selection sorts them out.

I will let you take that up with the chair of Harvard Genetics on that. he is the one who said it both on video and in the Boston Herald.


Well evolution also accepts the cosmic theory of evolution, chemical evolution and organic evolution. It is all one big genesis by the secularists. They may not know how life began (though there are still a few dozen or so theoriews out there) but it is part and parcel of the secular Genesis.

and no YEC scientists do not conflate it! It is what secularists say! That somehow someway self replicating life formed=living goo! Deal with it!

So man was brought forth from the Earth as the other animals were. But God gave him an immortal soul. How do you think that means he wasn't created by God?

No not as the other animals were. Don't you know how to read? God commanded and the animals came forth (which you don't believe anyway) as living entities.

Adam was crafted by hand ot just commanded to appear! There is a difference, would you like me to explain?
 
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It appears you have. Instead of dodging and making excuses, how about showing us whatever arguments you find persuasive in the video? Be sure to document with checkable sources.

Or fall back on your hero, Alinsky, and do it his way.

Yes I learned his rules, because I have been dealing with those who practice his rules, so I recognize them.

So the names of the people being interviewed who wrote the papers that is not enough?

Those videos quote people and papers. That is not enough?

Tell you what when you give me a checkable source for your mystery email- then you can tell me which checkable sources for which part of which video you wish to check. though I suspect you will move the goal post again.

And for the record, Alinsky is not even near the side of my ledger where heroes dwell.
 
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Yes I learned his rules, because I have been dealing with those who practice his rules, so I recognize them.

Your denial isn't very convincing. If you think so well of him, how is it you're embarrassed when it's pointed out?

So the names of the people being interviewed who wrote the papers that is not enough?

Those videos quote people and papers. That is not enough?

In science opinions mean little except what someone thinks. Facts matter. When you get some of those, show us.

Tell you what when you give me a checkable source for your mystery email

All it says is what you can read in his paper. Speciation, including higher taxa are the way he explains how the Ark could hold everything.

then you can tell me which checkable sources for which part of which video you wish to check.

Tell us what you think is the most compelling argument in the video, and then show us the evidence for it. Checkable sources.

And for the record, Alinsky is not even near the side of my ledger where heroes dwell.

(Barbarian checks)

I took a look a his stuff. No wonder you admire him. You've largely emulated him. Except no.2. And that's one you really should have followed:

"Never go outside the expertise of your people."

You've followed all of his rules except the one that might have kept you out of trouble. Ironic, um?
 
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(Barbarian notes that geneticists have found that most mutations don't do much of anything)

I will let you take that up with the chair of Harvard Genetics on that. he is the one who said it both on video and in the Boston Herald.

From the United States National Library of Medicine:

Do all gene mutations affect health and development?

No; only a small percentage of mutations cause genetic disorders—most have no impact on health or development. For example, some mutations alter a gene's DNA sequence but do not change the function of the protein made by the gene.

Often, gene mutations that could cause a genetic disorder are repaired by certain enzymes before the gene is expressed and an altered protein is produced. Each cell has a number of pathways through which enzymes recognize and repair errors in DNA. Because DNA can be damaged or mutated in many ways, DNA repair is an important process by which the body protects itself from disease.

A very small percentage of all mutations actually have a positive effect. These mutations lead to new versions of proteins that help an individual better adapt to changes in his or her environment. For example, a beneficial mutation could result in a protein that protects an individual and future generations from a new strain of bacteria.

Because a person's genetic code can have a large number of mutations with no effect on health, diagnosing genetic conditions can be difficult. Sometimes, genes thought to be related to a particular genetic condition have mutations, but whether these changes are involved in development of the condition has not been determined; these genetic changes are known as variants of unknown significance (VOUS) or (VUS). Sometimes, no mutations are found in suspected disease-related genes, but mutations are found in other genes whose relationship to a particular genetic condition is unknown. It is difficult to know whether these variants are involved in the disease.


Well evolution also accepts the cosmic theory of evolution,

No, that's wrong. Darwin's theory is only about biological evolution. If this confuses you, I suggest you use Darwin's preferred term, "descent with modification."

and no YEC scientists do not conflate it!

Conflating Darwin's theory with other forms of change is a common tactic of YECs. You, for example, do it.

That somehow someway self replicating life formed=living goo!

Evolutionary theory assumes life began somehow, but doesn't say how. Which seems like a pretty safe assumption to me. Darwin, for example thought that God just created the first living things:

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species 1878

Deal with it.

No not as the other animals were. Don't you know how to read? God commanded and the animals came forth (which you don't believe anyway) as living entities.

Adam was crafted by hand ot just commanded to appear!

"Crafted by hand" is your revision of God's word. The Bible says nothing of that. "Just commanded to appear" is also a revision. God made nature to produce life, according to His will. And it did. What it doesn't say is how that happened.

So there is a great difference betwee "crafted by hand" and "let the Earth bring forth." Would you like me to explain?
 
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Your denial isn't very convincing. If you think so well of him, how is it you're embarrassed when it's pointed out?

Well I shall keep my own counsel of whether I admire alinsky or not. Yours is shown to be valueless.

In science opinions mean little except what someone thinks. Facts matter. When you get some of those, show us.

That is amusing. All we observe about mutations is evolution in reverse or horizontal variation! But yet you hold mutation caused goo to you by way of the zoo without demonstrable fact!


there are over 5,000 known human disorders caused by genetic mutations! I guess you think that small. So show the mutations that have improved mankind as is changing mankind into something else! Remember you are the one who holds our family tree goes back to that living goo X billion years ago.


False accusations are unbecoming of you.

Evolutionary theory assumes life began somehow, but doesn't say how. Which seems like a pretty safe assumption to me. Darwin, for example thought that God just created the first living things:

Like they assume mutations preserved by natural selection caused all the complex biodiversity we see by random unplanned undesigned errors!

"Crafted by hand" is your revision of God's word. The Bible says nothing of that. "Just commanded to appear" is also a revision. God made nature to produce life, according to His will. And it did. What it doesn't say is how that happened.

Well given your bereft knowledge of Gods Word I am not surprised you say that!

But Genesis 1:
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

He said and it happened! You are just straining at gnats to swallow camels.

Look at vwerse 24- "and God said and it was so"! easy understanding for one without a anti bible bias.

Gen 2:7


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Form:
יָצַר
Transliteration
yatsar
Pronunciation
yä·tsar' יָצַר (H3334)(through the squeezing into shape), ([compare יָצַע (H3331)])
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: form (26x), potter (17x), fashion (5x), maker (4x), frame (3x), make (3x), former (2x), earthen (1x), purposed (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. to form, fashion, frame
    1. (Qal) to form, fashion
      1. of human activity

      2. of divine activity
crfafted by hand is a very very very accurate way of saying this! But it appears you just cherish being argumentative.

So there is a great difference betwee "crafted by hand" and "let the Earth bring forth." Would you like me to explain?

No I got that well enough without your limited knowledge of Scripture.

Conflating Darwin's theory with other forms of change is a common tactic of YECs. You, for example, do it.

Well as Darwins theory has evolved many times- YEC scientists are correct.

No, that's wrong. Darwin's theory is only about biological evolution. If this confuses you, I suggest you use Darwin's preferred term, "descent with modification."

I challenge you to name one believer in Darwinian Evolutionism who also does not adhere to the Big Bang or whatever new term it is called, cosmic evolution, chemical evolution and organic evolution.
Oh and provide links!


Your example fails. That is just the immune system doing what God designed it to do! that is not random undirected unplanned mutations that lead to higher taxa!
 
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Well I shall keep my own counsel of whether I admire alinsky or not.

You tipped us off by your obsession.

All we observe about mutations is evolution in reverse or horizontal variation!

You've already been shown otherwise. Why even deny it?

nolidad tries conflating origin of life with evolution yet again:

But yet you hold mutation caused goo to you by way of the zoo without demonstrable fact!

As you know, evolutionary theory is not about the origin of life. That's just another YEC fairy tale.

(nolidad says that there are unfavorable mutations)

That's good. And you also know there are favorable ones.

So show the mutations that have improved mankind as is changing mankind into something else!

ApoA-1 Milano
The Milano mutation,which provides almost complete immunity to hardening of arteries.
ApoA-1 Milano - Wikipedia

Science 02 Jul 2010:
Vol. 329, Issue 5987, pp. 75-78

Sequencing of 50 Human Exomes Reveals Adaptation to High Altitude

HbC hemoglogin mutant provides protection against Malaria, without the life-threatening consequences of homozyousity found with HbS
Hemoglobin C - Wikipedia

Apo-AIM bone density mutation prevents broken bones and age-related osteoporosis
4 beneficial evolutionary mutations that humans are undergoing right now

Remember you are the one who holds our family tree...

...shows a common descent for all living things on Earth. And we know it's true, because we can check the method on organisms of known descent.

This was first discovered by Linnaeus, who showed that all organisms fit into a family tree. Such nested hierarchies are only found in common descent. Scientists later predicted gene would give us the same tree. And DNA analysis confirmed it.

Barbarian, regarding his admiration for Alinsky:
I took a look a his stuff. No wonder you admire him. You've largely emulated him. Except no.2. And that's one you really should have followed:

"Never go outside the expertise of your people."

You've followed all of his rules except the one that might have kept you out of trouble. Ironic, um?

False accusations are unbecoming of you.

It's very true. As anyone reading these discussions will notice, you are in way over your head here. You've tried to substitute imagination and creationist fairy tales to cover, but it isn't working.

Like they assume mutations preserved by natural selection....

...and removal of harmful mutations...

caused all the complex biodiversity we see by random unplanned undesigned errors!

As you learned, Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't random. Again, it's what you don't know, that's causing you so much grief here.

crfafted by hand is a very very very accurate way of saying this!

The Bible says nothing about "crafted by hand." You just added that to make the Bible less objectionable to you.

I challenge you to name one believer in Darwinian Evolutionism

You, for example. You're an adherent of "evolutionism", and you don't accept the Big Bang.

who also does not adhere to the Big Bang or whatever new term it is called, cosmic evolution, chemical evolution and organic evolution.

But if you meant "evolutionary theory", then of course we have that. The atheistic scientist Fred Hoyle accepted evolution and denied the Big Bang. In fact he gave it that name as an insult.

Sir Fred Hoyle, one of the most creative and provocative astrophysicists of the last half century, who helped explain how the heavier elements were formed and gave the name Big Bang, meant to be derisive, to the theory of cosmic origin he vehemently opposed, died on Monday in Bournemouth, England. He was 86 and lived in Bournemouth.
Fred Hoyle Dies at 86; Opposed 'Big Bang' but Named It

In his later years, Hoyle became a staunch critic of theories of abiogenesis to explain the origin of life on Earth. With Chandra Wickramasinghe, Hoyle promoted the hypothesis that the first life on Earth began in space, spreading through the universe via panspermia, and that evolution on Earth is influenced by a steady influx of viruses arriving via comets.
Fred Hoyle - Wikipedia

Oh and provide links!

Sure.

Example of a favorable mutation:
A very small percentage of all mutations actually have a positive effect. These mutations lead to new versions of proteins that help an individual better adapt to changes in his or her environment. For example, a beneficial mutation could result in a protein that protects an individual and future generations from a new strain of bacteria.

Your example fails.

Nope. Many such cases. Would you like to see some of them?

That is just the immune system doing what God designed it to do!

Created. It's blasphemous to call God a mere "designer." But of course He intended mutations to provide increased fitness for organisms. He created things that way.

that is not random undirected unplanned mutations that lead to higher taxa!

Comes down to evidence. You lose. Even your fellow YEC, Kurt Wise admits that there is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."
 
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You tipped us off by your obsession.

If you feel the need to falsely accuse- enjhoy yourself, I know my thoughts!

Comes down to evidence. You lose. Even your fellow YEC, Kurt Wise admits that there is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."

Once again that was written long before they debunked the whale and horse series, why do you try to sail a sunk boat?

Created. It's blasphemous to call God a mere "designer." But of course He intended mutations to provide increased fitness for organisms. He created things that way.

Well as you are not the arbiter of what is blasphemous , especially when Scriptures with a 3rd grade style says God crafted man- shows your intense obtuseness.

If you wish to try to be a mind reader- that is your privilege- but I have met your kind many times and if you persist- I will do the same to you as them, place you on an ignore.
 
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Saying "everything has been made by design" is not saying everything was created in 6 days. Let's be careful not to fill the missing information with our bias.
 
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