Incest

[sparklecat]

Its gross. Its unnatural. Its gross. Its destructive. Its gross.

I was going to say I'm shocked at all the responses that have no problem with it. Except that I'm not all that shocked. 50, 30 years ago most people thought the same about homosexuality, now due to the aggresive agenda of the gay community, its on its way to becoming mainstream. While most Christians set twiddling their thumbs. Its not out of the question to see incest, beastiality, pedophilia (as long as its consenting and nonviolent Nambla or some such garbage) bigamy, poligamy all of this will come up and attemp to gain the same status as homosexuality. After all except in the pedophila case their all consenting adults and no one's getting hurt right? Yuck.

The pedophilia and the bestiality case. They're also the only ones I would object to.

 

[MQTA]

I wonder if Twins face this issue more than most

 

[Scholar in training]

Um you do realize you don't control them like puppets, they can still be married, albeit not legally.

Yes, I realize that. I would hope that they would respect my wishes as their father, however. If they really want to go ahead and do it, then I can't actually stop them, but I would do my best to convince them that it would be a bad idea.

Urm there both 20 so there is no legal way you can stop them. There is no reason why they shouldnt go ahead and be together if it makes them happy. And no "it makes you uncomfartable" is not a valid excuse.

I would list my reasons for not letting them get married, but it's not like you would care, nor would you accept them.

 

[charityagape]

Why should the beastiality bother you, what you do in the bedroom is your own business right? Yuck.

 

[Oidhche]

I've given some thought to this topic a few months ago and I came to some conclusions that haven't been not mentioned yet.

Firstly, there's the issue of children. Some of you said that closely related couples should be sterilized or not allowed to have children. In my opinion, they should be allowed children, but only if they were prepared to take full legal and financial responsibility for them. What I mean is that if their children had some genetic defects, the parents should pay for the medical treatment and so on. Not the government or insurance companies. This way, such children wouldn't be a burden for the society. If you think about it, it's not really that different from what you teach your children today. You tell them that if they want to raise a family, they should be able to sustain in.

Some of you pointed out that there is no incest among animals. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's not reasonable to think that it doesn't happen at all. It's probably VERY rare, but I would think it does sometimes happen. I believe it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that incest would be equally rare among humans. You say you cannot imagine why some people would like to be in such relationships. But that's the point - you're the majority who would never do it. The minority who would would surely have some reasons to do so.

And there's, of course, the moral side of the problem. Well, I think that this should be left to the couple in question to decide. You say you think it's gross. Trust me - so do I. But the question is - should I tell THEM what to do because I think it's gross? I think not.

 

[sparklecat]

Why should the beastiality bother you, what you do in the bedroom is your own business right? Yuck.

The issue is consent.

 

[MQTA]

No incest among animals? How do we have all these puppy and kitten mills for Pure Breeds?

 

[charityagape]

Yes, consent. However, animals don't have the right to consent to anything. We breed them, kill them, eat them, make clothing from them, hunt them, own them, they're animals, their consent is irrelevent (unless, and that's a different thread, you're a rapid animal rights person who believes we shouldn't do any of the above).

So again, shouldn't all consenting adults be allowed to do whatever they want. Oh one I forgot to add to the list, prostitution.

 

[Ave Maria]

My reaction would be one of disgust, anger, and total disapproval.

 

[Romany]

I'd tell them why I think incest is wrong, calmly, and then leave it up to them.

Romany

 

[Anduril]

The issue is consent.

Years ago I saw some filthy movies where the animals had certainly consented. Does this still bother you?

 

[wagsbags]

I think it's totally disgusting. That being said I fully realize that I think it's disgusting because I've been socially programmed to think that. I think perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to have children because of the burden it would place on society but other than that there's really no reason it's wrong (other than God said so). So I suppose I would explain to them that it's going to take me a while to get used to.

 

[sparklecat]

Years ago I saw some filthy movies where the animals had certainly consented. Does this still bother you?

I need to think about that issue more, along with what charityagape brought up. However, animals certainly cannot legally give consent - are we agreed on that?

 

[charityagape]

We are agreed they can't legally give it..........but also they're not required to legally give it.

 

[charityagape]

Ps, in case things get confused I'm not advocation incest, or beastiality, only trying to form a case as to why it should not be allowed based on the if you're a consenting adult and no ones getting hurt theory.

 

[sparklecat]

I'm not sure the issue of consent is really clear enough in bestiality - there's really no way you can know the animal understands the issue and is giving consent. Sure, there may be physical signs, but a certain amount of physical arousal can be forced in anyone, even without mental consent.

 

[charityagape]

Yes, but the issue isn't can the give consent, but do they even need to since they are animals and we don't require their consent for anything else we do.

 

[sparklecat]

Aye, I was addressing Anduril with that point.

We do have certain animal abuse laws.

 

[charityagape]

Is it considered abuse? Are we hurting the animal by having sex with it? Are we embarassing it or degrading it? Does it have those capabilities? I mean we kill them for Big Macs and leather shoes, so if we're not being terribly cruel in the way we have sex with an animal, is it abuse?


Ewwwwwww just writing that gives me the creepy crawlies, but it is a valid arguement. I mean seriously people on the incest thing don't yall honestly know some things are just wrong. Deep down in your gut you hear it and you know its wrong. That's not social programming, HELLO, that's your conscience.

 

[Scholar in training]

I need to think about that issue more, along with what charityagape brought up. However, animals certainly cannot legally give consent - are we agreed on that?

What if the animal's owner gives consent for the animal to have sex with someone?