Incest

[Ninja Turtles]

I think it would be rather unlikely for a brother and sister to become sexually attracted to each other. They share too much of the same DNA. Now and child and parent, that's what you usually see with incest.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

I think it would be rather unlikely for a brother and sister to become sexually attracted to each other. They share too much of the same DNA. Now and child and parent, that's what you usually see with incest.

I beg to differ. Two of my very good friends were sisters, very very pretty girls, very nice. But they only slept with eachother (And by slept I mean slept next to AND had sex with). They never saw anything wrong with it, they werent hurting anyone.

 

[JimmyKoKoPop]

again, I must ask. According to the bible, didn't someone have to have sex with a relative at some point, in your belief? And if this is the case, doesn't that mean that we all commit incest when we have sex with anyone?

Yes, there was clearly incest in the bible. The mystery of Cain's wife, for one. All people descended from two people = Inarguable incest. I've heard some claim it was different for them, because they were "pure" or some such thing.

As far as incest... Depends on how you define the word.

"

1. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative."

Based on this definition, the line is hazy. If you define it as sex with ANY relative, then yes, all sex is incestual. All humans are related, it is merely a question of degrees. People with ancestral lines in older countries are likely within a few dozen or hundred generations of everyone in their region. As an example, my ancestors immigrated from Bavaria in the 1740s. Thus, as a bit of trivia, it is likely I am within a degree of 50 generations of seperation with many of the Nazis.

People from very isolated areas might have as many as 3000 generations of seperation with other people, but that's probably about as far as it goes.

Eventually though, it doesn't really matter. Does it matter if you have sex with your 43rd cousin? I don't think it does.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Just to play devil's advocate. All those people that have stated that they see nothing wrong with it if they get their tubes tied or don't procreate, I've seen many of those posters adamantly oppose curtailing abortion in any way. So I suppose given my recollection of posting stances, that stipulation really isn't required either. After all, based on the voiced morality of that, some see nothing wrong with brother and sister having sexual relations and getting abortions if the children would have a defect (which isn't a given BTW).

Well all I can say is that you are welcome to your opinion, but it's not looking good for society.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Here is why some of you who have stated on this thread feel really bad about incest happening yet at the same time wonder why it bothers you :

Jeremiah 31:33 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Romans 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things contained in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts (accusing or else excusing them)

Its been put into you by God to know its wrong. That is why the bible says there will be no excuse before God .

 

[sparklecat]

Either that, or it's a cultural taboo.

 

[SallyNow]

Let's say you had two children, a boy and a girl. One day, when they're both around 20 or so, they come to you and tell you that they're in love and are going to pursue a romantic relationship. They won't try to have any children themselves. What do you think your reaction would be?

It would be wrong. And I would tell them that, in a careful way, and try to get them both psychiatric help. They are brother and sister; they share much of the same DNA. The genentic consequenses of an "oops" pregnacy could mean horrible suffering. There is extreme genetic closeness; there is extreme familial closeness. Both can result in extreme pain.

 

[alabaster jar]

I agree with Sallynow, I would get them some psychiatric help quickly.

Honestly, though, the subject does tend to come up when your kids are small--they'll say I want to marry daddy, or my brother, or cousin Bobby, etc. and at those moments I have said, "Daddy is married to mommy and some day you'll be married to someone outside of the family. We don't marry family members." (We don't raise and support children that we may someday have sex with them or for them to have sex with each other; we raise them to go out into the world and multiply.)

I know it is true that in the past royal bloodlines did marry their siblings, so don't know if the genetic thing is that big of an issue. To me it is far more about psychology and sociology. We raise our kids in an extroverted way; not to keep them home and producing within one small incestuous framework. I think the taboo is there because we do not raise kids that we may someday 'breed' them to each other or to ourselves. If it is allowed because the kids decide as adults it makes us all wonder how the kids were raised and sets up a model that could lead to abuse in other families--that's how taboos form and that is their function. Our laws often reflect what is culturally taboo--such as incest, to name only one.

 

[butterfoot]

I agree with Sallynow, I would get them some psychiatric help quickly.

Honestly, though, the subject does tend to come up when your kids are small--they'll say I want to marry daddy, or my brother, or cousin Bobby, etc. and at those moments I have said, "Daddy is married to mommy and some day you'll be married to someone outside of the family. We don't marry family members." (We don't raise and support children that we may someday have sex with them or for them to have sex with each other; we raise them to go out into the world and multiply.)

I know it is true that in the past royal bloodlines did marry their siblings, so don't know if the genetic thing is that big of an issue. To me it is far more about psychology and sociology. We raise our kids in an extroverted way; not to keep them home and producing within one small incestuous framework. I think the taboo is there because we do not raise kids that we may someday 'breed' them to each other or to ourselves. If it is allowed because the kids decide as adults it makes us all wonder how the kids were raised and sets up a model that could lead to abuse in other families--that's how taboos form and that is their function. Our laws often reflect what is culturally taboo--such as incest, to name only one.

The reason in the past that royals married in the same bloodlines is because they had to marry someone that was a royal to produce heirs to the thrown. It was more out of [font=&quot]necessity. Today though people do it for the same reason gay people are gay. It goes against what society agrees with the same reason you do something because your parents told you not too.


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[alabaster jar]

I don't think we can compare it to homosexuality; I don't know that they are parallel. And while homosexual relationships appear to be moving into the realm of everyday life, I don't see that with incest at all. Are siblings attempting to seek marriage? Mothers with their sons? I just don't see all these 'people doing it' as I do with more outspoken homosexual groups. The only incest I've heard of has been forced upon innocents, not something groups are clamoring equality for. But I could be out of the loop. Well, I guess there is NAMBLA? But that still is not within families.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

It would be wrong. And I would tell them that, in a careful way, and try to get them both psychiatric help. They are brother and sister; they share much of the same DNA. The genentic consequenses of an "oops" pregnacy could mean horrible suffering. There is extreme genetic closeness; there is extreme familial closeness. Both can result in extreme pain.

Actually genetic defects caused by in-breeding take GENERATIONS to manifest. A brother and sister who have a kid with no family history of in-breeding have a slightly higher chance than two un-related people of getting an in-bred disorder, but not very much.

Either that, or it's a cultural taboo.

Its probably taboo because the ancients observed that inbreeding would eventually cause birth defects and so avoided doing it so they wouldnt have messed up kids. Messed up kids in ancient societies were a sign of weakness and failure.

I honestly do not see an issue with brother-sister incest, allthough I wouldnt practice it myself, as long as it was kept safe through birth control. Once you start talking about parents and children....the enormous age gap is what makes me less accepting about that.

 

[Mashley]

I'd probably flip out. I know a brother and sister who have slept together. They are both very sex-crazed though. They are both known for committing some sort of sexual crime.

 

[Donut Hole]

Be rather surprised/shocked, probably, but hopefully get over it. I'd talk to them about the increased risk of genetic problems in any possible kids and try to discourage that.

 

[DrFate]

Yuck Fooeey,

First, I would ask them if they were joking. If they were serious,
I would explain that of course they love each other, as they are brother and sister. Then I would tell them to stop being ridiculous and to forget the stupid idea of having sex with each other. I would make clear that I FORBID the idiotic action. Then we WOULD have a group prayer on the issue of sexuality. Then we WOULD review the Torah on the matter.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Yuck Fooeey,

First, I would ask them if they were joking. If they were serious,
I would explain that of course they love each other, as they are brother and sister. Then I would tell them to stop being ridiculous and to forget the stupid idea of having sex with each other. I would make clear that I FORBID the idiotic action. Then we WOULD have a group prayer on the issue of sexuality. Then we WOULD review the Torah on the matter.

The OT said that sex was only part of the package. I fail to see how two people, no matter thier relation, having a romantic love is ridiculous.

 

[charityagape]

Its gross. Its unnatural. Its gross. Its destructive. Its gross.

I was going to say I'm shocked at all the responses that have no problem with it. Except that I'm not all that shocked. 50, 30 years ago most people thought the same about homosexuality, now due to the aggresive agenda of the gay community, its on its way to becoming mainstream. While most Christians set twiddling their thumbs. Its not out of the question to see incest, beastiality, pedophilia (as long as its consenting and nonviolent Nambla or some such garbage) bigamy, poligamy all of this will come up and attemp to gain the same status as homosexuality. After all except in the pedophila case their all consenting adults and no one's getting hurt right? Yuck.

 

[Vylo]

What do you think your reaction would be?

"You kids will be the death of me". "But I love you"

 

[Scholar in training]

I would say "no" and that would be the end of it. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it would not be good for them to get married. I would not allow it both for their own sakes and because I wouldn't be comfortable with it.

 

[Vylo]

I would say "no" and that would be the end of it. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it would not be good for them to get married. I would not allow it both for their own sakes and because I wouldn't be comfortable with it.

Um you do realize you don't control them like puppets, they can still be married, albeit not legally.

 

[Corran]

I would say "no" and that would be the end of it. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it would not be good for them to get married. I would not allow it both for their own sakes and because I wouldn't be comfortable with it.

Urm there both 20 so there is no legal way you can stop them.
There is no reason why they shouldnt go ahead and be together if it makes them happy. And no "it makes you uncomfartable" is not a valid excuse.