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In your experience...what causes Churches to split?

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The last church I belonged to took that "belonging" as a literal thing. The leadership became involved with an organization that preached invasive leadership in that the leadership began controlling the lives of members, manipulating them by changing member's ministry roles mid-stream, kicking people out (and encouraging family members of those who were kicked out to continue to attend) and punishing members through enforced furloughs (temporary banning).
So the church membership decreased by 70%.
 
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The first division in a Church was caused by Paul.
Ha, I like your example, for times when people use idealistic NT unity as their argument.

I sometimes feel like I'm a magnet for church splits. I tend to enter a church when it is at a peak of intensity. Members pour themselves into activity, prayer, reading, volunteer work, sacrificial giving, conferences... and want recognition back for their efforts.

They start debating about who heard God more correctly. Who knows more about which author. Who had more time at the microphone. The pastor senses this chaos and starts building up safeguards, and preaching submission. The people who were teaching classes are suddenly told to stop, without explanation. Programs close, with only a "God told us" explanation.

The congregation overreacts and thinks the pastor is trying to change to a more domineering hierarchy. The pastor starts hiding expenditures and anything that the people can critique. The people get suspicious and think leadership is hiding something, or treating members like children.

Members start writing letters to express their concerns (which is the appropriate method in Protestant denominational churches, but not most independent ones). Then pastors freak out with the letters, get angry, and yell from the pulpit.

A few people get up and say, "I don't need this," while the stoic ones pride themselves in enduring it.

Over the weeks, people find their levels of tolerance and eventually fade out. Some stay to make things work, and preserve the fellowship they've loved.

I have also been in churches where finances were a part of the dissension, but it was not the money itself -- it was how the decisions were made, and whether people were treated with equal voice.

People invest a lot in their churches. It might seem like they are being petty, but imagine giving ten percent of your income, spending 10-20 hours on various ministries, driving the kids to weekly activities (and leading their groups), baking snacks and dishes to pass once a week, cleaning bathrooms and mowing lawns, giving extra gifts, helping members move and get to the hospital... it essentially turns into a second job, a second home to maintain, and a second family to care for.

And then a pastor, who is paid, demands more from the volunteers. Limits what they are able to do in the church. Does not disclose expenditures. Does not thank people for volunteer work. And sometimes gets angry when they provide input. Or peers into the finances to see who is giving more.

To sum it up, I think they split when people are trying too hard. The ADHD momentum of restlessness, the more-is-better, the pride that cometh before a fall, the desire to be known as someone who is spiritual and connected to God. The cult-like desire to sacrifice until it hurts.

Oh yes, and it is true there are good church splits. Times when God moves people in different directions, to get things done.


Scandal, money, personalities fighting for control, and some wanting to become more liberal and less traditional....

1.Gossip
2.Music
3.Pride

Disagreements over hermetical approaches to scriptures and divisiveness amongst staff

A lack of Christ's love to embrace diversity.

I've also seen churches split for good reasons. Some churches want to plant a church, so a group from the "mother" church splits off to help establish the fledgling mission.
 
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Is it really doctrine ('striving for the truth once and for all delivered to the saints')
or in your experience is it something entirely more mundane and fleshly?
(eg jealousy)

Sometimes G-d causes the split in churches much as King Jereboam was raised up against King Rehoboam by G-d H-mself?!
 
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God Himself may desire it for unity and peace at all costs may end up sacificing something more important. We may have to seriously look at why God wants to bring a sword rather than peace..

Often when an outpouring of the Holy Spirit begins with a group of people……. at least fifty percent or more of the group within which that movement begins……. cannot handle the "new wine" even though this is a genuine move of the Holy Spirit?!

I personally consider that a Mr. Eporu Ronald Alfred of Uganda has written a brilliant article on how Isaiah chapter 45 applies to our time period….. but the majority of us may find this possibility offensive for one reason or another?!

(For the record….. I admit that this is not written in the most diplomatic manner possible… but then again… Cephas/Peter…..John/Yohannan and James/Yacob and the gang……weren't always all that diplomatic either)!?


http://www.christianforums.com/t7681942/
Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?
Personally I love the idea put forward by a pastor in Uganda that when we Christians support and respect the Jewish people more as they play their role in bringing back Messiah, the Holy Spirit will be poured out unlike ever before in history!

That makes a lot of sense to me!



Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

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Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.
 
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Sometimes G-d causes the split in churches much as King Jereboam was raised up against King Rehoboam by G-d H-mself?!

And almost every time there IS a split, at least one side in the dispute is convinced that God was moving them to act. ;)
 
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Among north American Lutherans the issue is either female priests and/ or gay marriage. Most Lutherans were already divided based on ethnicity [German, Swedes, Finns, etc] during migration to the U.S./ Canada in the past few centuries until English became the most common language in our services. In Europe most Lutherans belong to the national-state Church and there are not a lot of other Christian groups. But even in Scandinavia there are break-away dioceses over the issue of women clergy and same-sex relationships.

Thankfully most Lutherans belong to the Lutheran World Federation and are in full communion with other Lutherans, Anglicans and in places Reformed/ Methodist churches.
 
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And almost every time there IS a split, at least one side in the dispute is convinced that God was moving them to act.
Putting the two together, it could surprise most members that both sides really might have been hearing from God. At least a good percentage of them. But idolizing the church structure, over what God was trying to accomplish.

when we Christians support and respect the Jewish people more as they play their role in bringing back Messiah, the Holy Spirit will be poured out unlike ever before in history!
The tricky thing about that -- supporting Judaism is different from supporting the politics, the right to land, religious vs. genetic Hebrews, inviting a synagogue to collaborate with the church, singing Israeli songs, protesting in DC, expecting donations... too much zeal with a lack of discernment can also lead to a church split.
 
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But give me an example of "Lording it over the flock"
In a church which believed in apostleship, obedience to his vision was the primary thing.

It may not be universal, but "iambren's" point is obviously correct. Some pastors do see their congregation as a personal trophy and themselves as the owner of it. There's no way to dismiss that comment as untrue, even if many pastors do wonderful and sacrificial work and have to settle disputes and make decisions that cause a few soreheads in the congregation to charge them with acting dictatorially.
 
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I was in a church where the pastor voted in the board members himself ie a group of "yes" men. When a few years went by and I confronted him on this practice I got a stern wagging of a finger in my face for he said as long as he was pastor that's the way it would be.

At age 28,3rd generation A/G, I left and have never been back with that denomination. I went back a year later and talked with him,we are civil and friendly when we meet about town.

Cults lord over people and step over their barriers. I see churches like any organizations needing safeguards in place against those who lust for power.
 
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I was in a church where the pastor voted in the board members himself ie a group of "yes" men. When a few years went by and I confronted him on this practice I got a stern wagging of a finger in my face for he said as long as he was pastor that's the way it would be.

At age 28,3rd generation A/G, I left and have never been back with that denomination. I went back a year later and talked with him,we are civil and friendly when we meet about town.

Cults lord over people and step over their barriers. I see churches like any organizations needing safeguards in place against those who lust for power.

I don't want to make a blanket indictment, but this is why anyone should be careful about non-denominational churches. While they often appear to be the perfect answer to inter-denominational bickering, the other side of that coin is that nothing can restrain or supervise the pastor (who often is the founder) except the board, and it frequently is made up of men loyal to him.
 
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