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In the deep ocean, some fish have evolved superpowered vision

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[Some] "fish that ply the sea at depths greater than sunlight can penetrate have developed super-vision, highly attuned to the faint glow and twinkle given off by other creatures. They owe this power, evolutionary biologists have learned, to an extraordinary increase in the number of genes for rod opsins, retinal proteins that detect dim light. Those extra genes have diversified to produce proteins capable of capturing every possible photon at multiple wavelengths—which could mean that despite the darkness, the fish roaming the deep ocean actually see in color.

Most fish have one or two RH1 opsins, like many other vertebrates, but four of the deep-sea species stood apart, the researchers report this week in Science. Those fish—the lantern-fish, a tube-eye fish, and two spinyfins—all had at least five RH1 genes, and one, the silver spinyfin (Diretmus argenteus), had 38. "This is unheard of in vertebrate vision," says K. Kristian Donner, a sensory biologist at the University of Helsinki.

To make sure the extra genes weren't just nonfunctional duplicates, the team measured gene activity in 36 species, including specimens of 11 deep-sea fish. Multiple RH1 genes were active in the deep-sea species, and the total was 14 in an adult silver spinyfin, which thrives down to 2000 meters.

The deep-sea fish had a total of 24 mutations that alter the function of their RH1 proteins, fine-tuning each to see a narrow range of blue and green wavelengths—the colors of bioluminescence.


Mutations creating variations upon which selective pressures [particularly in an extreme situation with very low light levels] can act. Lovely piece of research.
 

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Do we finally have proof of evolution?

As always, science is not in the business of proof, but rather of evidence.

From the abstract of the Science article: "Our findings present molecular and functional evidence for the recurrent evolution of multiple rod opsin–based vision in vertebrates."

Yes, this is evidence of evolution. There are many other studies like this that are also evidence. There are also many other studies that come from different perspectives, such as paleontology, that are also evidence of evolution. The theory of evolution is well supported by multiple lines of evidence.
 
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As always, science is not in the business of proof, but rather of evidence.

From the abstract of the Science article: "Our findings present molecular and functional evidence for the recurrent evolution of multiple rod opsin–based vision in vertebrates."

Yes, this is evidence of evolution. There are many other studies like this that are also evidence. There are also many other studies that come from different perspectives, such as paleontology, that are also evidence of evolution. The theory of evolution is well supported by multiple lines of evidence.

Then you didn't mean "evolved" after all?
 
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[Some] "fish that ply the sea at depths greater than sunlight can penetrate have developed super-vision, highly attuned to the faint glow and twinkle given off by other creatures. They owe this power, evolutionary biologists have learned, to an extraordinary increase in the number of genes for rod opsins, retinal proteins that detect dim light. Those extra genes have diversified to produce proteins capable of capturing every possible photon at multiple wavelengths—which could mean that despite the darkness, the fish roaming the deep ocean actually see in color.

Most fish have one or two RH1 opsins, like many other vertebrates, but four of the deep-sea species stood apart, the researchers report this week in Science. Those fish—the lantern-fish, a tube-eye fish, and two spinyfins—all had at least five RH1 genes, and one, the silver spinyfin (Diretmus argenteus), had 38. "This is unheard of in vertebrate vision," says K. Kristian Donner, a sensory biologist at the University of Helsinki.

To make sure the extra genes weren't just nonfunctional duplicates, the team measured gene activity in 36 species, including specimens of 11 deep-sea fish. Multiple RH1 genes were active in the deep-sea species, and the total was 14 in an adult silver spinyfin, which thrives down to 2000 meters.

The deep-sea fish had a total of 24 mutations that alter the function of their RH1 proteins, fine-tuning each to see a narrow range of blue and green wavelengths—the colors of bioluminescence.


Mutations creating variations upon which selective pressures [particularly in an extreme situation with very low light levels] can act. Lovely piece of research.

According to the KJV, ESV, the hebrew, and a certain Arabic version Ketab El Hayat, all these versions allow for an old earth. A 6000 year old earth is not a requirement for Sola Scriptura. Hank Hanegraaff would agree with this. Let me know if you want further details.
 
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I'm more interested in where did they point out how they were sure they evolved, or was that just opinion of the OP?

Do we finally have proof of evolution?

In a legal sense of "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" we had "Proof of evolution" a long time ago. As others have pointed out science does not prove things in an absolute sense. One always needs to keep in mind that there is a possibility that one is wrong and devise tests that could show one to be wrong. After millions of tests the theory of evolution is yet to be shown to be wrong.
 
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In a legal sense of "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" we had "Proof of evolution" a long time ago. As others have pointed out science does not prove things in an absolute sense. One always needs to keep in mind that there is a possibility that one is wrong and devise tests that could show one to be wrong. After millions of tests the theory of evolution is yet to be shown to be wrong.

yes it has never been shown to be wrong. Has it been proven that there are not higher dimensions than the 3rd and 4th dimension (space/time)? Have you read the book "Flatland" by Abbott Abbott. This book influenced Albert Einstein greatly.
 
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yes it has never been shown to be wrong. Has it been proven that there are not higher dimensions than the 3rd and 4th dimension (space/time)? Have you read the book "Flatland" by Abbott Abbott. This book influenced Albert Einstein greatly.

No, but I have heard of it. Though an interesting thought experiment there is no evidence for that sort of world. There are mountains of evidence that support the theory of evolution and rejecting evolution because of a religious book would be as silly as rejecting gravity.
 
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wut?

Yes, I meant evolved. These traits evolved. That's the conclusion of these researchers.

Oh, I thought you just said we only have evidence I guess I missed the announcement that evolution was official.
 
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In a legal sense of "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" we had "Proof of evolution" a long time ago.

Who's reasonable doubt?

You all can pretend it's official if you like, but again, I don't recall it ever was more than a theory, in the sense of a possibility.
 
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Still slinging these lines rather than learning, eh Kenny?

And you're still slinging yours instead of taking the challenge to teach?

Yeah, you forgot that little detail, where you absolutely refused with excuse after excuse, pretended it was all my fault that you would not do so. My favorite was "I didn't understand science", yet when i asked you to to simply explain it along they way, again you refused. So clearly someone else has not learned either.

I gave you every possible chance and now you're here saying I won't learn? lol

Teacher, teach thyself.
 
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Who's reasonable doubt?

You all can pretend it's official if you like, but again, I don't recall it ever was more than a theory, in the sense of a possibility.
Anyone who tries to belittle scientific theories demonstrates a rather high level of ignorance. A theory is as good as it gets in the sciences. Though there is no official hierarchy a scientific theory could be said to be above the level of a law. A scientific law is merely an observation of something that is always true under specific circumstances. A theory is an observation of something that is always true under specific circumstances along with an explanation. And a way to test the idea to show that it is possibly wrong. Unless you have a belief that has been shown to be wrong I do not see why you have a problem with evolution.
 
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And you're still slinging yours instead of taking the challenge to teach?

Yeah, you forgot that little detail, where you absolutely refused with excuse after excuse, pretended it was all my fault that you would not do so. My favorite was "I didn't understand science", yet when i asked you to to simply explain it along they way, again you refused. So clearly someone else has not learned either.

I gave you every possible chance and now you're here saying I won't learn? lol

Teacher, teach thyself.
Over the years you have demonstrated that you do not want to learn. If you are willing people will gladly help you.
 
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And you're still slinging yours instead of taking the challenge to teach?

"Challenge to teach?" ^_^ Kenny, I've pointed you to numerous resources on where you can learn including full University courses (that are free!).

You refuse to learn, period. Don't blame others for your own failing.

My favorite was "I didn't understand science", yet when i asked you to to simply explain it along they way, again you refused.

I once tried to engage you on the subject of the scientific method and you completely stone-walled the whole time. Again, don't blame others for your own failing.
 
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