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Seebs,

Be careful of absolute pronouncements. The United States has undoubtedly by far the largest infection of evolutionism but it's not the only place in the world with this problem. Canada does, though that is a trivial example, since no country with most of it's population within a 100 miles of the U.S. can avoid the U.S.'s influence. Parts of Australia have the problem almost as bad as the U.S. No Answers in Genesis was for years an Australian organization though not under that name. And have you ever noticed the time stamps a site gives. www.talkorigins.org is hosted down under. After writing the above I verified this with a whois. That site is from Clayton, Victoria. Victoria being in the SE part of the country; the part nearest to the island of Tasmania.
The United Kingdom has scattered evolutionism that is still capable of making noice though they are a rather small minority there. Where secular humanistic fundamentalism is present there is likely to be evolutionism as well. The problem is acute in Turkey.

Outside of English speaking and Communist worlds, evolutionism is very marginalized and very much extremely small minorities.
 
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Where is your evidence? Why do you not publish your amazing conclusion (and your evidence)? Would you not consent to tell us of the evidence that you used to arrive at your conclusion? What I'm getting at, is that I'd really like to hear about the evidence that supports either Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 as literal.
This is an example of evolutionist ignorance, because the evidence has been documented and published. Unless one thinks it's all just a coincidence.

It's also quite telling how the first Chinese had the exact same creation account (what a coincidence!) that was eventually written down by a Hebrew approximately 1,000 years later in another part of the world!

If evolution is false, then creation is true. Simple. Evolution is false because humans did not evolve from sea creatures -> amphibians -> reptiles -> rodents -> primates -> humans. That would violate the laws of science.

Yet I can't help but think it odd that despite this world-wide flood, we have remarkably little reason to think it even possible, let alone a historical event.
That's why meteorites of earthly compositions have been found. How did these earthly rocks with water inside get into space? This surprised evolutionists who quickly ignore such findings.
 
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It's also quite telling how the first Chinese had the exact same creation account (what a coincidence!) that was eventually written down by a Hebrew approximately 1,000 years later in another part of the world!


Of course we'll never know if this is true since you never back up your claims.

Where's the source of this 6-day Chinese Creation myth?
 
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Outside of English speaking and Islamic worlds, creationism is very marginalized and very much extremely small minorities.
False.

Go to Asia. Go to Africa. Most Filipinos, many Koreans, many Chinese, many Vietnamese and many Africans believe in some sort of divine creation. They don't believe their ancient ancestors are according to evolutionary theory: sea creatures -> amphibians -> reptiles -> rodents -> hairy primates -> humans = LOL
 
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Go to Asia. Go to Africa. Most Filipinos, many Koreans, many Chinese, many Vietnamese and many Africans believe in some sort of divine creation.


Well, duh. Of course they do.

What I'm interested in is your repeated claim that the Chinese creation myth is that same as the Biblical creation myth.

Your words:
It's also quite telling how the first Chinese had the exact same creation account ...

You didn't say "they also had a creation account" you claimed that it was the exact same creation account.

Now, where's the proof?
 
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Where's the source of this 6-day Chinese Creation myth? [/B]
It's Creation truth. The first Chinese knew it. The Hebrews on the other side of the world knew it. The family of Noah knew it.

You ask for "sources" only because you're uninformed, but take my word for it, lest I provide them.

The evolution myth is irrational, yet evolutionists are desperate (not determined, but desperate) to believe their ancestors are sea creatures -> amphibians -> reptiles -> rodents -> primates -> humans = LOL

Just like the Coelacanth. Evolutionists claimed it was "70 million years old" and a species on the verge of developing lungs and legs and becoming a land dwelling animal--that is--until it was found swimming in the ocean in the 20th century! No, it never did "evolve", because macro-evolution is a myth.
 
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You didn't say they also had a creation account; you claimed that it was the exact same creation account
Yes. Though it's not in book form like the Hebrew account, the account was placed in the characters of the Chinese language by their inventor and was obviously common knowledge among the first Chinese descendents of Noah, which should be expected because the book of Genesis is true.
 
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Originally posted by Cyclo Rider

This is an example of evolutionist ignorance, because the evidence has been documented and published. Unless one thinks it's all just a coincidence.

If the evidence has been published, then why has no one seen it? Why can you not provide even a single piece of evidence that supports a literal Genesis 1 or Genesis 2? While unproductive blanket insults have their place, they really don't advance discussion much.


It's also quite telling how the first Chinese had the exact same creation account (what a coincidence!) that was eventually written down by a Hebrew approximately 1,000 years later in another part of the world!

Please provide some sources for this. If possible, please use archeology journals.

If evolution is false, then creation is true. Simple.

A simple logical fallacy, perhaps. False dichotomy.


Evolution is false because humans did not evolve from sea creatures -> amphibians -> reptiles -> rodents -> primates -> humans. That would violate the laws of science.

Please, what mysterious laws of science are these? CycloRider's law of evolution not happening becase he or she says so?


That's why meteorites of earthly compositions have been found. How did these earthly rocks with water inside get into space? This surprised evolutionists who quickly ignore such findings.

Newsflash: all water is not of terrestrial origins. I think you'll find that hydrogen and oxygen can combine in places other than Earth.
 
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Just like the Coelacanth. Evolutionists claimed it was "70 million years old" and a species on the verge of developing lungs and legs and becoming a land dwelling animal--that is--until it was found swimming in the ocean in the 20th century! No, it never did "evolve", because macro-evolution is a myth.
The coelacanth of today is demonstrably different than the fossil coelacanth. It did evolve. Just not a lot. And if it was well adapted to the little cave off Africa that they survive in, they wouldn't have to. But others evolved around them.

Evolution isn't a physical force, like gravity or libido. Not everything evolves at the same rate, or the same time. It isn't against evolution to not evolve if there is no change to evolve against.

It's like saying that since everyone in my family is descended from Scotsmen that emigrated, why are there still Scotsmen?
 
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I have to say that this message board is something else. If you want to make a point just follow these easy steps:

1) Make an assertion. Heck, make any crazy assertion you want as long as it fits your purposes.

2) When asked to cite sources just accuse your opponent of being ignorant.

3) Remember, any combination of capitalizing and embolding letters in the word 'truth' will make your argument even stronger, and that's the TRUTH! (see?)
 
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Just do a quick web search for "chinese creation story".
I found several, but nothing resembling the Genesis myth.


I did that as well and came up with some stories about how the universe was born out of an egg. Like you I found nothing resembling the Genesis myth.

Perhaps you could enlighten us about your source, Cyclo?


Perhaps, just once, a source could be provided?

Is that too much to ask?

(you can continue calling me ignorant now...)
 
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Some ancient greek philosophers believed in evolutionary creation stories, though they obviously didn't mean anything like what we mean by evolution. They had a lot of teleological assuptions.

In Plato's 'Symposium,' Aristophenes gives a creation myth that humans used to have four legs, four arms, etc., but that we were split in half by lightening and are now doomed to search for our 'other halves.'
 
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Chinese creation myth states that humans evolved from the lice and fleas on the giant Pan Gu's body... interesting.

Chinese Creation Myth

One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

LOL! How ironic.

Well, it looks like we successfully squashed this one. Good job skeptics.

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Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum but I've read all the posts for this thread and it's suprising to see the lack of evidence or sources on both ends of the debate. Missing also is a representative of Day-age interpretation of Genesis 1 (which is also a "literal" interpretation). So I decided to jump in. Who's ready to rock? :)
 
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