In reference to God creating an earth made with apparent age,

Tree of Life · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
Because without photosynthesis the trees would be dead.

More special pleading, to add to your mountain full of it?

You show signs of treading the path of more than one YEC before you, and ending up an atheist when reality finally breaks through.

God does not need the sun in order to sustain life. Apparently there will be no sun in the new heavens and new earth.

RickG · May 9, 2016

Tree of Life said:
God does not need the sun in order to sustain life. Apparently there will be no sun in the new heavens and new earth.

Then why is there a sun and why is it necessary for life to exist on earth. You do understand that this is a science forum don't you?

smaneck · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
The link is there, to the passage, in context, just in case your head exploded.

I'm referring to your interpolations.

lesliedellow · May 9, 2016

Tree of Life said:
God does not need the sun in order to sustain life. Apparently there will be no sun in the new heavens and new earth.

As I predicted; more special pleading.

Why didn't God do the obvious thing, and create the energy source before creating the plant life which needed it? He could have spared himself the trouble of having to miraculously maintain it in being then.

SkyWriting · May 9, 2016

RickG said:
Then why is there a sun and why is it necessary for life to exist on earth. You do understand that this is a science forum don't you?

Evidence of light comming from all directions before any stars is a testable phenomenon.
It is know as the Cosmic microwave background.
https://www.google.com/search?pws=0&q=Cosmic+microwave+background&gws_rd=ssl

lesliedellow · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Evidence of light comming from all directions before any stars is a testable phenomenon.
It is know as the Cosmic microwave background.
https://www.google.com/search?pws=0&q=Cosmic+microwave+background&gws_rd=ssl

Um, microwaves aren't light.

SkyWriting · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
As I predicted; more special pleading.

Why didn't God do the obvious thing, and create the energy source before creating the plant life which needed it? He could have spared himself the trouble of having to miraculously maintain it in being then.

It's no problem. God keeps each electron in it's proper orbit. (or cloud)

1 God, having spoken in former times in fragmentary and varied fashion to our forefathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by a Son whom he appointed to be the heir of everything and through whom he also made the universe. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact likeness of his being,
and he holds everything together by his powerful word.

SkyWriting · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
Um, microwaves aren't light.

Oh ye, of little science.

I didn't say they were
anyway.

RickG · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
Um, microwaves aren't light.

Yes they are, just not in the visible range.

lesliedellow · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
It's no problem. God keeps each electron in it's proper orbit. (or cloud)

1 God, having spoken in former times in fragmentary and varied fashion to our forefathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by a Son whom he appointed to be the heir of everything and through whom he also made the universe. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact likeness of his being,
and he holds everything together by his powerful word.

What God holds together is something governed by the laws of nature he created.

So why is it that creationists have to maintain that God acted in all sorts of illogical ways, and then have to override his own natural laws to fix the situation he had created?

Creationists seem to believe in a pretty muddle headed God.

lesliedellow · May 9, 2016

RickG said:
Yes they are, just not in the visible range.

In that case gamma rays are light as well, and so are radio waves. Light generally means electromagnetic radiation in the range 400-700nm.

com7fy8 · May 9, 2016

I understand that God created the earth "very good". But we see what has happened to human bodies because of sin entering the world, with the fall of Adam and Eve. Human bodies can be corrupted, and they are made of the earth. So, I consider the original earth could have been corrupted by the spirit of evil which works through sin. And I consider Romans 8:20-22 < from this I see how God did not create the earth looking old, but with corruption of sin things have become different . . . and maybe deceptive, in how things look and how we see things.

RickG · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
In that case gamma rays are light as well, and so are radio waves. Light generally means electromagnetic radiation in the range 400-700nm.

I understand what you are saying and agree, especially with respect to your original comment.

freezerman2000 · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
And so
what did you find,
what does it mean to you,
and how would you apply it back in it's proper context
without my commentary?

I apply it back to the proper context this way..He was talking about the generation He was living amongst,
and,nowhere was science even mentioned.
If God wants to send a sign that is beyond the explanations of the "evil" science,it would be all mankind..not just a select few.That way,there would be no doubt.

freezerman2000 · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Thanks to #3 we can see the problem lies with #2.
"2. knowing that it would sow the seeds of confusion and disbelief?"
God is all knowing so that narrows it to "it would sow the seeds of confusion and disbelief"

A. God would send things to confuse us
or
B. God didn't send the message.

A. God wants us to choose faith.

I like A.

So faith means confusion?

lesliedellow · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
or this

Mark 8:12 He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a (miracle) ?
Truly I tell you, no (miracle) will be given to it.

At least that is true to the original. The only question which now remains is: How is it supposed to be relevant?

Loudmouth · May 9, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Becasue belief in God is supposed to be faith based and not dependant of Science to verify?

Creationists are taking it a step further when they have God making fake evidence in order to deceive us. They have God making fake fossils and planting them in the ground, fake stars, and fake galaxies.

It's like claiming that God plants fingerprints at crime scenes, so we should just ignore all of the forensic science presented in trials.

Loudmouth · May 9, 2016

Tree of Life said:
If God created with apparent age it would be because it pleased him to create a mature world.

Did God create Adam with scars on his back from a fall he never had? Did Adam have a calcification on his mid tibia from a bone break he never had? Did God also create a graveyard of 1,000 of his ancestors who never lived? Did God create false memories in Adam's brain?

Do you realize exactly what your "mature" world requires? We are talking about billions of years of fossils, all fake according to you.

SkyWriting · May 9, 2016

freezerman2000 said:
So faith means confusion?

Becasue you are unsure, then I'd say no.

SkyWriting · May 9, 2016

lesliedellow said:
At least that is true to the original. The only question which now remains is: How is it supposed to be relevant?

That's what I asked. How is it relevant?

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