In order to refute atheism, you must promote atheism, but not atheists. Discuss.

[Belk]

Or perhaps you have an outsiders view of atheism and are making common mistakes on what it entails.

Atheism is a disbelief which is another form of a belief. It is a belief unto itself and does not require any other belief. It simply refutes god for whatever reason or it does not even require a reason at all.

QED

 

[KEBO12345]

You might find this concept more interesting.

"The computational theory of mind holds that the mind is a computation that arises from the brain acting as a computing machine. The theory can be elaborated in many ways, the most popular of which is that the brain is a computer and the mind is the result of the program that the brain runs.[3][bless and do not curse]A[bless and do not curse]program[bless and do not curse]is the finite description of an[bless and do not curse]algorithm[bless and do not curse]oreffective procedure, which prescribes a deterministic sequence of discrete actions that produces outputs based only on inputs and the internal states (memory) of the computing machine. For any admissible input, algorithms terminate in a finite number of steps. So the computational theory of mind is the claim that the mind is a computation of a machine (the brain) that derives output representations of the world from input representations and internal memory in a deterministic (non-random) way that is consistent with the[bless and do not curse]theory of computation."

I would partly agree that the human conscious mind behaves like software.
it runs at a leisurely 60 bits per second, the mind is no quantum computer.
But the problem that the mind faces is that is does not exist per se or if it does
exists only as a conflict of experience. It is a metaphysical machine that was
developed (evolved) by the auto poetic body to solve a problem. say the need
for more complexity which seems to be the push of life.

Our body as a dinstinct agency responsible for other aspects eg our instincts
and vision seems to be a quantum computer and runs at around 11,200,000 bits
per second.

The mind seems to have woven a spell on 99 odd percent of modern man
that results in a common illusion. The mind wants us to think it is the
hardware, or the agency that is generating the thoughts rather than the
allopoetic machine that is processing them. The conscious mind does not run 'live'
or in the present. Every thought and new perception must be first added to a memory
bank and then compared to previous experience before any current conscious thought
can be generated.

The robot mind cannot create anything new but rather just provide a reorganisation
of things existing. EG all the notes on Beethovens keyboard and
work already existed in nature before he wrote then. The world is digital and written
in math. Every possible variation is encoded already in the infinite number pi.

The modern conscious mind has a shocking identity crisis going on that us the
root of all that is wicked. the duality (separation) from everything else is the
old story made popular by Descartes in the 1600's. A separation between mind
and matter, but he knew there was a problem with how the two could interact.
The early church grabbed it with both hands since they had a God that could act
as a go betwen. Religion never looked back.

But we cannot go making things up without some proper reason and logic
to guide us as each step. That would be like having the knowledge and choosing
imagination. While they did not have much knowledge or modern
science and philosophy then we do now for those that are not lazy of mind and
deep of habit. At the ultimate level where energy dissolves into matter there is only
one type of 'thing'. There is no multiplicity.

 

[KEBO12345]

Atheism is a disbelief which is another form of a belief. It is a belief unto itself and does not require any other belief. It simply refutes god for whatever reason or it does not even require a reason at all.

Think everything we want to understand requires logic and reason, otherwise we are just [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing into the wind with our imaginations.

Belief is how we run our life. Having faith that our bus will be at the stop,
tht we will still have a job come Monday, that the sun will rise tomorrow.
These are 'True beliefs' but do not always come true as we know.

Then there is something called 'false beliefs'
and I rate Atheism in this category.
False beliefs tend to be mixed in with true beliefs to make them more
plausible. EG. My bus will be at the stop, the sun will rise tomorrow AND
JC might come with rapture and take me under his wing for eternity.
Then this is all reautoprogrammed and rebanked overnight which perpetuates and strengthens the belief as does every religious prayer, hymn, affirmation
etc. which induce deepening of trance. (the trances we live).

It becomes word.
With atheism the same things happen.
If we went for a walk in an atheists mind to the impression memory where
beliefs about this and that are stored, we would find that there would be a file marked 'beliefs about God. Who has not thought about a creator?
To say so would be a lie. If you have an open file with contents you have a belief set in god wether in the positive negative sense or what ever.
To say you have no belief set would be dishonest.

The file is set up in the impression memory, and not the factual files
(since no one has met God in conscious mind language I know of).
This means it is part of a believers/non believers attitude or opinion...
which is their imagination.The imagination is false and will trick us into thinking
we do not have a belief when we do have trillions of bits of information stored.

Skeptics will argue some BS about no belief is somehow a valid argument but
our mind is false and provides whatever view it likes as word to the observer.
But we are not party to the internal muse that underlies this position.
We each have a dual honesty and within limits it is permitted to have it as part
of being human in a complex social world.

As I said few atheists would be stupid enpugh to consider that there was no causasion in the universe or cosmology The causation they internally hold, becomes the creator or God.
Thus a poor discrimination (lack of knowledge) of nature will provide a poor estimation of the creator.

 

[John the Bpt]

I would partly agree that the human conscious mind behaves like software.
it runs at a leisurely 60 bits per second, the mind is no quantum computer.
But the problem that the mind faces is that is does not exist per se or if it does
exists only as a conflict of experience. It is a metaphysical machine that was
developed (evolved) by the auto poetic body to solve a problem. say the need
for more complexity which seems to be the push of life.

Our body as a dinstinct agency responsible for other aspects eg our instincts
and vision seems to be a quantum computer and runs at around 11,200,000 bits
per second.

The mind seems to have woven a spell on 99 odd percent of modern man
that results in a common illusion. The mind wants us to think it is the
hardware, or the agency that is generating the thoughts rather than the
allopoetic machine that is processing them. The conscious mind does not run 'live'
or in the present. Every thought and new perception must be first added to a memory
bank and then compared to previous experience before any current conscious thought
can be generated.

The robot mind cannot create anything new but rather just provide a reorganisation
of things existing. EG all the notes on Beethovens keyboard and
work already existed in nature before he wrote then. The world is digital and written
in math. Every possible variation is encoded already in the infinite number pi.

The modern conscious mind has a shocking identity crisis going on that us the
root of all that is wicked. the duality (separation) from everything else is the
old story made popular by Descartes in the 1600's. A separation between mind
and matter, but he knew there was a problem with how the two could interact.
The early church grabbed it with both hands since they had a God that could act
as a go betwen. Religion never looked back.

But we cannot go making things up without some proper reason and logic
to guide us as each step. That would be like having the knowledge and choosing
imagination. While they did not have much knowledge or modern
science and philosophy then we do now for those that are not lazy of mind and
deep of habit. At the ultimate level where energy dissolves into matter there is only
one type of 'thing'. There is no multiplicity.

The idea of what conciousness is can be difficult to grasp. I have never seen any evidence of conciousness existing other than in living things. So I can only assume you are referring to some conciousness undetected. Certain futurists are predicting that computers will become concious by 2029. That is interesting to think about.

 

[KEBO12345]

The idea of what conciousness is can be difficult to grasp. I have never seen any evidence of conciousness existing other than in living things. So I can only assume you are referring to some conciousness undetected. Certain futurists are predicting that computers will become concious by 2029. That is interesting to think about.

There is no scientisfic definition that is agreed upon so any dictionary
definition can be misleading depending on a view.

Everything shares consciousness.
What we/everything can have to do with consciousness is 2 things.
1. Bearing witness to the unfolding of events in the cosmos.
and as an add on for living things
2. Collapsing the quantum uncertainty wave by way of sensory perception.
the richness of the experience seems to relate to our position on the tree
of common descent (tree of life).
Everything cocreates the unfolding of events in the cosmos and our minds
thoughts are part of everything.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

1) Atheism requires identity,

Only when forced to identify. It's like being asked what sport you play when you just don't play sports. You're forced to identify as a non-athlete. It's technically an identity but only under forced conditions.

2) It is possible to assume identity, but deny atheists

What does this even mean?

3) It is possible to refute atheism, because denying atheists is tenable for no logical reason

Hmm? You lost me.

Are you assuming Atheism is like some sort of regime? Or ideology? Because it's neither.