In favor of gun control?

[shout2thelord]

Today at 04:44 PM Laura said this in Post #20

Guns don't kill people, people kill people? People with GUNS kill people.

I agree should we make weapons more available for people to kill with?

I agree with gun control. we have it here and i have never seen a gun in my life even though i have lived in pretty rough areas in the past.

 

[JillLars]

Laura, maybe rather than restricting all of the guns that are available we should work on informing people about them. What about all the accidents, kids bring guns to school, my dad has probably at least 10 guns in the house, was I or my 4 other siblings ever able to get to them, NO, my dad has a gun safe, and the key is on his keychain, in his pocket. Putting restrictions on all of society will not stop the idiots. And just something to keep in mind, do you ever hear about the families who have guns whose kids don't bring them to school, or who don't shoot themselves? No, you only hear about the accidents and the school shootings, obviosly they are not in the majority. I agree that something needs to be done to make sure gun owners are informed about the dangers of guns and about protecting their families from their own firearms, but ultimately it is up to the gun owners (parents) to teach their kids about it. Should we ban coffee if a kid dumps it on himself and gets burned because the parents didn't teach him that hot coffee will burn you...I don't think so, you can put all the restrictions you want on guns, but there will always be idiots...you can't make people have common sense.

 

[waterwizard]

Personal gun control, instead of government gun control.

 

[Laura]

Today at 12:28 PM JillLars said this in Post #22

Laura, maybe rather than restricting all of the guns that are available we should work on informing people about them. What about all the accidents, kids bring guns to school, my dad has probably at least 10 guns in the house, was I or my 4 other siblings ever able to get to them, NO, my dad has a gun safe, and the key is on his keychain, in his pocket. Putting restrictions on all of society will not stop the idiots. And just something to keep in mind, do you ever hear about the families who have guns whose kids don't bring them to school, or who don't shoot themselves? No, you only hear about the accidents and the school shootings, obviosly they are not in the majority. I agree that something needs to be done to make sure gun owners are informed about the dangers of guns and about protecting their families from their own firearms, but ultimately it is up to the gun owners (parents) to teach their kids about it. Should we ban coffee if a kid dumps it on himself and gets burned because the parents didn't teach him that hot coffee will burn you...I don't think so, you can put all the restrictions you want on guns, but there will always be idiots...you can't make people have common sense.

I guess I don't really understand why people want to have guns. Yeah, yeah...hunting and protection and stuff. I have never understood the "sport" of killing living things. And truthfully, if there was a gun in my house, I would never feel comfortable.

 

[minniemouse]

Okay, I will put my 2 cents in here. In an ideal world everyone who chose to own a gun would take reasonable precautions to protect children from harming themselves with the guns or having them get into anyones hands that they didn't belong in. In an ideal world everyone who owned guns would educate their children/family members about them and their risks and how to properly deal with them. The unfortunate part is that we don't live in an ideal world and not everyone who owns guns does what they should with them in order for them to be used only as they intended for them to be used. It is a shame that laws have to be instituted to try to protect us from those that don't have enough common sense or morals to use guns properly.

 

[Gabriel]

Today at 01:24 PM minniemouse said this in Post #25 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=673189#post673189)

Okay, I will put my 2 cents in here. In an ideal world everyone who chose to own a gun would take reasonable precautions to protect children from harming themselves with the guns or having them get into anyones hands that they didn't belong in. In an ideal world everyone who owned guns would educate their children/family members about them and their risks and how to properly deal with them. The unfortunate part is that we don't live in an ideal world and not everyone who owns guns does what they should with them in order for them to be used only as they intended for them to be used. It is a shame that laws have to be instituted to try to protect us from those that don't have enough common sense or morals to use guns properly.

The point that we who don't want to lose our freedoms to others would like to make is a simple one. you can take out the word "gun" and replace it with all of the following words, "swimming pool, automobile, chainsaw, ice pick, alcohol, cigarette, cigarette lighter...." and your statement is just as relevant. The fact is that more people protect themselves or their families each year with a handgun than the number of people who are injured by them in an "accident".

 

[Ryder]

I think there's a trend, most people who support gun control also have little or no experience with guns at all. But obviously we shouldn't have what they know nothing about. Some myths could certainly use dispelling.

-police do not arrive thirty seconds after calling them, and have been known to be late, in the realm of a few hours from time to time

-guns amazing impact on deaths is...   (USA)

ALL CAUSES 2,169,518  
Heart Disease 720,862
Cancers 514,657
Strokes 143,481
Chronic pulmonary diseases 90,650
ACCIDENTS 89,347
Pneumonia and influenza 77,860
Diabetes 48,951
Motor Vehicle 43,536
Suicide** 30,810
HIV Infections (AIDS) 29,555
Homicide and legal intervention*** 26,513
Cirrhosis and other liver diseases 25,429
Falls 12,662
Poisoning (solid, liquid, gas) 6,434
Drowning (incl. water transport drownings) 4,685
Suffocation (mechanical, ingestion) 4,195
Fires and flames 4,120
Surgical/Medical misadventures* 2,473
Other Transportation (excl. drownings) 2,086
Natural/Environmental factors 1,453
Firearms 1,441

* A Harvard University study suggests 93,000 deaths annually related to medical negligence, excluding tens of thousands more deaths from non- hospital medical office/lab mistakes and thousands of hospital caused infections.
** Approximately 60% involve firearms.
*** Approximately 60% involve firearms. Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck estimates 1,500-2,800 self-defense and justifiable homicides by civilians and 300-600 by police annually.

wow, guns terrify me

Not to mention, the criminals who contribute to guns percentage in the homicides category will not comply with gun control anyways.

 

[caley]

Yesterday at 11:12 PM Laura said this in Post #10 
The US has the highest number of murders for a reason.

Where do you get that statistic?

 

[caley]

Today at 10:44 AM Laura said this in Post #20

Guns don't kill people, people kill people? People with GUNS kill people. 

...or KNIVES, or BATS, or LEAD PIPES, or BRASS KNUCKES, or FISTS, or FORKS, or PENCILS, etc...

 

[Beckijhn]

My kids are educated! My niece was last years shooting champ in WY. My daughters and son love to head out and target shoot. In fact we really enjoy New Years in the Owyhee's. We take the guns, four-wheelers, targets, clay pigeons and launchers, chili, hot cocoa and fire wood and head out to meet three or four other families and shoot all day long.

I don't get the 'no gun' attitude. I don't get the fear of guns either. We have a gun safe and it's locked 24/7 but I have ready access to my weapon and have absolutely no problem shooting any person coming into my home with the intention of rape, murder, or other mischief. It's a choice that person makes in deciding to invade my home, my action is a consequence to that creeps choice.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 06:48 PM caley said this in Post #29 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=673773#post673773)

...or KNIVES, or BATS, or LEAD PIPES, or BRASS KNUCKES, or FISTS, or FORKS, or PENCILS, etc...

Guns, however, do make it much easier. I wonder if the Washington sniper could've killed as many people if he was forced to bludgeon them in broad daylight...

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 06:36 PM Ryder said this in Post #27 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=673760#post673760)

wow, guns terrify me

I, too, am not afraid of gun violence. But your statistics are way off.

From this site (Bureau of Justice Statistics: Firearms and Crime Statistics):

The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 66% of the 15,517 murders in 2000 were committed with firearms.

That would put the number of gun murders at about 10,000 for the year 2000 (and that's just murders; it doesn't factor in other gun-related deaths).

Not to mention, the criminals who contribute to guns percentage in the homicides category will not comply with gun control anyways.

But wouldn't you feel safer knowing that it wasn't so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun?

 

[Gabriel]

Today at 08:06 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #32 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=673948#post673948)

I, too, am not afraid of gun violence. But your statistics are way off.

From this site (Bureau of Justice Statistics: Firearms and Crime Statistics):

The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 66% of the 15,517 murders in 2000 were committed with firearms.

That would put the number of gun murders at about 10,000 for the year 2000 (and that's just murders; it doesn't factor in other gun-related deaths).



But wouldn't you feel safer knowing that it wasn't so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun?

Gun control laws don't make it harder for criminals to get their hands on guns, it makes it harder for law abiding citizens.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 08:17 PM Gabriel said this in Post #33 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=673967#post673967)

Gun control laws don't make it harder for criminals to get their hands on guns, it makes it harder for law abiding citizens.

That's the typical pro-gun rhetoric, but I wonder if, in fact, it is true. For example, I wonder how hard it would be to obtain a gun in places like Japan or Korea, where they have strict gun laws in place.

 

[JillLars]

Here's the problem, we are not in Japan or Korea where they already have strict gun laws. We are in the United States where criminals already have the means to get access to unregistered firearms at the drop of a hat. It is very easy to do. It would be very hard to reverse the fact that criminals have easy access to things that are illegal...maybe we should be cracking down on them, and those that they get their guns from rather than adding more paperwork when hunters go to purchase a gun at wal-mart.

 

[aaron]

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[Shay]

My dad was in the air force for 26 years.  I grew up around guns.  At the age of 10 he took me and my 2 brothers target shooting on a friends property to show us how to use a gun and how not to use a gun. 

My husband is a cop in the air force.  He took me Saturday to target shoot.  He was extremely happy to first off, see that every one of the 60 rounds i shot hit the target in the designated areas, to see that i can protect myself, and also to see that i know how to handle a gun properly. 

I was in the navy as well.  I was a gunnersmate.  I have an extensive background and training with firearms. 

I own a CZ-75 handgun.  It's kept unloaded upstairs in my bedroom with trigger locks.

The "accidental" shootings are due to parents not taking the proper precautions in protecting their family from the weapons they have in their house.  If you own a gun it should be locked up in a safe or with trigger locks or both.  It should not be left out where a kid or an irresponsible person can get to it. 

It's an irresponsible person with a gun who kills.  Not the gun itself.  That's like saying a video game is the cause of violence.  Or a movie.  It's not the movie, the games, or anything like that.  Rather, it's the person who commits the crime.  Let's put the blame where it really belongs.  With the person who committed the act. 

I am all for owning a gun.  I am all for hunting.  I am all for shooting someone who breaks into my house and has an ill intention against me and my family.  I will not shoot to kill.  I will shoot to disable that person from hurting me or my family.

It's all in the eyes of the beholder though. 

I do have to agree though....those banners are rather offensive.

 

[pace]

Yesterday at 02:10 AM Gwindor said this in Post #8

hmm... It's interesting, hardly any civilians here in sweden own guns for any other purpose than hunting. I've never actually heard of it...

In many aspects I'm happy I live here

Me too

" Guns don't kill people, people do "

Right, so we don't give em guns !

 

[pace]

Yesterday at 06:28 PM JillLars said this in Post #22 

Should we ban coffee if a kid dumps it on himself and gets burned because the parents didn't teach him that hot coffee will burn you...

Guns are seriously more dangerous than coffee. 

 

,but there will always be idiots...you can't make (pace:all?)people have common sense

Exatcly! Again; you don't give em guns..


 

 

[JillLars]

So whose going to judge which ones are idiots and which ones aren't?? People can say that they are going to lock up their guns, doesn't mean they are. Does that mean the rest of us should have to give up guns...I don't think so. Since you are quoting my post you may as well include the fact that the accidents that you hear about don't happen as often as you think... and I do understand that coffee is a lot less dangerous than guns, but its an analogy just because some people don't know how to handle hot coffee should we ban it from everyone. You're just don't give them guns attitude makes sense, its just a matter of implementing a policy that tells certain people they are too idiotic to own a gun or drink coffee...good luck.