In day 3

[DPMartin]

In day 3

God made grass and herbs on the face of the earth and there wasn’t a sun a moon and a star to speak of until the fourth day.

How could that be?

But in retrospect it’s a proof that the universe was made to accommodate the presence of Life therein. Considering the first two verses include the five places for things that live. Just as Jesus showed us that death hath no power over the Life He has. Hence of God need no universe to be but the universe has places to be.

 

[Ken Behrens]

You can still have light without something to shoot it out. Just like you can have the life in the plants the concept of seeds before you have the plants that embody that life.

 

[Hieronymus]

In day 3

God made grass and herbs on the face of the earth and there wasn’t a sun a moon and a star to speak of until the fourth day.

How could that be?

Either way, they would have survived a day without light.

 

[DPMartin]

You can still have light without something to shoot it out. Just like you can have the life in the plants the concept of seeds before you have the plants that embody that life.

not sure what you mean by that.

 

[DPMartin]

Either way, they would have survived a day without light.

without the sun, just how long was that day?

 

[Hieronymus]

without the sun, just how long was that day?

Although it's very hard to believe or imagine, Scripture refers to the creation week quite often, as a week with days as we know them today, having an evening and a morning.

 

[DPMartin]

Although it's very hard to believe or imagine, Scripture refers to the creation week quite often, as a week with days as we know them today, having an evening and a morning.

which means what? you don't know, or you could be wrong?

are you going to tell me that it was a 24 hr day because that is a day to you? a 24 hr day that makes a 24 hr day requires a sun to emit light from it's burning while the earth spins on its axis. if the doesn't exist, then where is your 24 hr days of creation?

the Lord God shows us without hiding it, that there wasn't 24 hr days by telling us that there wasn't a sun for it, which is the truth. to know the true one must pay attention to what God says, not the typical Christian, this is what Christians think, therefore it must be the true understanding of scripture.

 

[Hieronymus]

which means what? you don't know, or you could be wrong?

I don't think Scripture is wrong.

are you going to tell me that it was a 24 hr day because that is a day to you? a 24 hr day that makes a 24 hr day requires a sun to emit light from it's burning while the earth spins on its axis. if the doesn't exist, then where is your 24 hr days of creation?

Are you suggesting that the days of Creation week were long in the beginning and 'normal' in the end?
or are you suggesting that the solar system dictates the days, in stead of God synchronizing the solar system with his created days ?
"And it was evening and it was morning, the 1-6th day"
I don't know, i wasn't there at the time.

the Lord God shows us without hiding it, that there wasn't 24 hr days by telling us that there wasn't a sun for it, which is the truth.

I told you it's hard to believe.
But does that mean we are of little faith, or does that mean we have to make wild assumptions to make it fit our modern day naturalistic / atheistic ideas?

 

[Ken Behrens]

not sure what you mean by that.

The general explanation is that Gen. 1 gives the purpose God is making for each thing, and Gen. 2 describes the appearance of that thing on earth. This interpretation is in the Hebrew words for bara, and asher, which are the words for "made" in Gen. 1 and 2 respectively. The meaning is that God made the purpose for sun and moon (light) first; that is why several days can separate them appearing. God made the purpose for plants first, which is why they do not need to really grow until man is around to nurture them.

 

[DPMartin]

I don't think Scripture is wrong.Are you suggesting that the days of Creation week were long in the beginning and 'normal' in the end?
or are you suggesting that the solar system dictates the days, in stead of God synchronizing the solar system with his created days ?
"And it was evening and it was morning, the 1-6th day"
I don't know, i wasn't there at the time. I told you it's hard to believe.
But does that mean we are of little faith, or does that mean we have to make wild assumptions to make it fit our modern day naturalistic / atheistic ideas?

I didn’t ask you if scripture was wrong did I?


No I’m not suggesting anything, I read the scriptures, not predetermine what they mean before I read them with incorrect notions within the Christian community.

What Peter says is:

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Therefore it is scripture’s view that in God’s view a day to Him can be at any length or amount of time considering as the Lord God has said Himself:

Isa_57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


Also taking into consideration that in at least some of the time during creation He was the only One there, therefore the info is from God in His view, not the creature’s view. There are some scholars that speculate the answer to the question whether we are still in the seventh day or are we in the eighth day, but that’s another subject. Therefore, scripture says what it says, and there are those who say it’s a 24 hr day, of which the scriptures don’t say, but scriptures says a day in God’s view could be any amount of time.

And no, belief isn't hard at all, God doesn't make it hard to believe Him, but deceivers love to use that line of thought of "its hard to believe" you used to get people to believe something that isn't true.

 

[Hieronymus]

I didn’t ask you if scripture was wrong did I?

Implicitly you actually did.

No I’m not suggesting anything, I read the scriptures, not predetermine what they mean before I read them with incorrect notions within the Christian community.

Sure pal...

What Peter says is:

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Therefore it is scripture’s view that in God’s view a day to Him can be at any length or amount of time considering as the Lord God has said Himself:

Isa_57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

In Genesis 1 "earth time" starts.
It's only unbelief or wanting it to be in accordance with naturalistic / atheistic beliefs that makes you want it to mean something else.
Therefore people find it hard to believe it means what it says.

 

[Pamelav]

Later it says nothing sprouted yet because God did not water the earth yet. Genesis 2:5.

Perhaps you kept reading and figured that out by now.

If that was your point.

 

[DPMartin]

Later it says nothing sprouted yet because God did not water the earth yet. Genesis 2:5.

Perhaps you kept reading and figured that out by now.

If that was your point.

and perhaps if you kept reading to the next verse you could figure out you've just said nothing


Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.


when it comes to water on the ground for vegetation. also if you read even further you would find out that it didn't rain on the earth until Noah, over 1600 year's later, but yet there was sprouting going on, so maybe you could figure you should read much more before you can tell others what they should be able to figure out.

 

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which means what? you don't know, or you could be wrong?

are you going to tell me that it was a 24 hr day because that is a day to you? a 24 hr day that makes a 24 hr day requires a sun to emit light from it's burning while the earth spins on its axis. if the doesn't exist, then where is your 24 hr days of creation?

the Lord God shows us without hiding it, that there wasn't 24 hr days by telling us that there wasn't a sun for it, which is the truth. to know the true one must pay attention to what God says, not the typical Christian, this is what Christians think, therefore it must be the true understanding of scripture.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[DPMartin]

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I can understand the search for "six days", but a day in the Almighty's experience who inhabits eternity, and a day in mankind's experience who inhabits the flesh in the earth made of earth that returns to earth are definitely different, as Peter mentions, a day can be like a thousand years and a thousand years can be like a day to the Lord God.

Also, it was the Lord God of Israel that told Israel to honor the seventh day, and some Hebrews teach because He is the Creator and Judge of all things showing that it is the Almighty, and Most High that is their God. and one day to God could be a thousand years so it wouldn't be practical to tell Israel to rest for a thousand years would it? or a day that is a day to the Almighty. but it would be practical to tell them to rest on the seventh day they experience, being creatures made of earth.

for example, we don't have the power of God but the power of God can be with you. we don't see the days God sees, but we can know how to tell about our God by His telling us about the days He sees. it also say I chapter 2 that they were the generations of creation and the concept of generations are not restricted to a 24 hr's or a earth's sun set sun rise experience.

 

[-57]

I can understand the search for "six days", but a day in the Almighty's experience who inhabits eternity, and a day in mankind's experience who inhabits the flesh in the earth made of earth that returns to earth are definitely different, as Peter mentions, a day can be like a thousand years and a thousand years can be like a day to the Lord God.

Also, it was the Lord God of Israel that told Israel to honor the seventh day, and some Hebrews teach because He is the Creator and Judge of all things showing that it is the Almighty, and Most High that is their God. and one day to God could be a thousand years so it wouldn't be practical to tell Israel to rest for a thousand years would it? or a day that is a day to the Almighty. but it would be practical to tell them to rest on the seventh day they experience, being creatures made of earth.

for example, we don't have the power of God but the power of God can be with you. we don't see the days God sees, but we can know how to tell about our God by His telling us about the days He sees. it also say I chapter 2 that they were the generations of creation and the concept of generations are not restricted to a 24 hr's or a earth's sun set sun rise experience.

When one reads the creation account in Genesis...especially when understanding days....the natural reading of Genesis indicates that a day is 24 hours. If the days wern't listed and bracketed by "evening and morning" people might have an argument that a day in creation was longer than 24 hours. But, as we all know the simple language of the opening chapter of Genesis naturally support a 24 hour long day.
Sure, a day can be a thousand years....but the language of Genesis doesn't come close to supporting that this is the case in the usage of the word day.

I see this "age" = day as just another misinterpretation, or should I say a needed interpretation to support the concept of an old earth and creation of man via evolutionism.

 

[DPMartin]

When one reads the creation account in Genesis...especially when understanding days....the natural reading of Genesis indicates that a day is 24 hours. If the days wern't listed and bracketed by "evening and morning" people might have an argument that a day in creation was longer than 24 hours. But, as we all know the simple language of the opening chapter of Genesis naturally support a 24 hour long day.
Sure, a day can be a thousand years....but the language of Genesis doesn't come close to supporting that this is the case in the usage of the word day.

I see this "age" = day as just another misinterpretation, or should I say a needed interpretation to support the concept of an old earth and creation of man via evolutionism.

that's the trouble, you've been told what to believe therefore that is what you see. rather than believing what you see for yourself in the text for what the text actually says, and doesn't say. in the text of creation there is no sun rise or sun set on the earth do to the fact the fact mind you, there was no sun to illuminate the surface of the earth, until sometime during the fourth day of creation in which some of if not most of those six day only God was there. therefore what God means by evening and morning in His description to us of His work of creation, doesn't change after the sun was made does it? or could it mean evening is when God speaks what is not, and then what He spoke is, hence morning not to mention that the day isn't concluded in most cases until He declares it good.

Even Jesus speaks to us in His terms and view of what Life is and His Kingdom is, and the things He brought into the world for us. not to our understanding, His understanding, not our knowledge, His knowledge, not our sense of wisdom, His wisdom. therefore His wisdom, knowledge and understanding is not of man and not in man's view nor from man's views. they are of God from God in God's view, or as God sees it.