In all seriousness

[markyoz]

Colonising of other planets won't happen the rapture will have happened by then. there arn't any planets that are inhabitable anyway. earth was made for us.

 

[Followers4christ]

My argument stands:

The word "rapture" was not in any way connected to the "taking up" of Christians until the 1970's.

No magic hat. No rabbit. Just facts.

If you would care to enlighten us with facts that are contrary to my statement, please feel free to do so.

The Bible never says the word Rapture but it dose say that the Christian will be "caught up".After the Christians are caught up and then the anti christ will rule until Jesus returns,in the second comming (Matthew 24:30)
.(Read about the anti christ in Daniel 7:21,Daniel 9:27,2 Thessalonians 2:9,Revelation 13:7,Revelation 13:16,Matthew 24:24.) God Bless

1 Thessalonians 4:17"After that,we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air"

1 Corinthians 15:52"In a flash in the twinkling of an eye,at the last trumpet.For the trumpet will sound the dead will be rised imperishable, and we will be changed."

Revelation 7:14"I answered "sir you know." And he said ."these are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed thier robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb."

 

[sinner/SAVED]

"Anti Christ" is only found in the Bible in 1 John and 2 John. These passages say that there are many antichrists and that anyone who denies Jesus is an antichrist.

Yes, the scripture does say that we will be "caught up", but nowhere is this called "the Rapture". "The Rapture" as a substitute for "caught up" is modern and has no basis in scripture.

 

[woobadooba]

"Anti Christ" is only found in the Bible in 1 John and 2 John. These passages say that there are many antichrists and that anyone who denies Jesus is an antichrist.

Yes, the scripture does say that we will be "caught up", but nowhere is this called "the Rapture". "The Rapture" as a substitute for "caught up" is modern and has no basis in scripture.

Are we going through this again? Don't you remember the year 405 A.D.?

Certainly that is not modern!

Also, even if it was modern so what! Why is it such a big deal to you anyway? The meaning is still the same!

We don't say 'thee' anymore either, but we know that means 'you'.

Same meaning, but different words.

 

[Followers4christ]

"Anti Christ" is only found in the Bible in 1 John and 2 John. These passages say that there are many antichrists and that anyone who denies Jesus is an antichrist.

Yes, the scripture does say that we will be "caught up", but nowhere is this called "the Rapture". "The Rapture" as a substitute for "caught up" is modern and has no basis in scripture.

It dose not matter if you call him anti christ,lawless one or beast.In the lasts days yes there will be alot of anti christs, but after the christians are caught up with jesus.One anti christ will rise up and claim himself as God and have the power to kill all of Gods saints.He will make everyone put a mark on thier right hand or forhead.God Bless

Revelation 13:7"He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them"

Revelation 13:16-18"He also forced everyone, small and great,rich and poor,free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forhead.so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.")number is 666

Daniel 7:21"As i watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them"

Daniel 9:27"He will confirm a covenant with many for one sevens In the middle of the sevens he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation,untile the end"

2 Thessalonians 2:4"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,so that he sets himself up in Gods temple, proclaming himself as God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles,signs and wonders."

Matthew 24:24"For false christ and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that were possible"

 

[markyoz]

It dose not matter if you call him anti christ,lawless one or beast.In the lasts days yes there will be alot of anti christs, but after the christians are caught up with jesus.One anti christ will rise up and claim himself as God and have the power to kill all of Gods saints.He will make everyone put a mark on thier right hand or forhead.God Bless

But if the christians are caught up how would the saints be there that get killed by the anti christ. The christians are the saints so that means those who get killed are christians?

 

[woobadooba]

But if the christians are caught up how would the saints be there that get killed by the anti christ. The christians are the saints so that means those who get killed are christians?

Your logic works well here! And this is just one reason why I reject the secret rapture theory.

The Bible doesn't teach that the rapture will be a secret, but that all believers whether you want to call them Christians or saints, will be caught up together!

 

[markyoz]

Your logic works well here! And this is just one reason why I reject the secret rapture theory.

The Bible doesn't teach that the rapture will be a secret, but that all believers whether you want to call them Christians or saints, will be caught up together!

Saints are the christians and the anti christ can't overcome the saints unless are to be in the world at that time. This is the definition of a saint, hence it says a redeemed and true christian:

Saint

A person sanctified; a holy or godly person; one eminent for piety and virtue; any true Christian, as being redeemed and consecrated to God.

Edit: what i beleave is that there are those who call themselves christians but they hadn't been redeemed and consecrated so their not saved. Possibly the ones in the bible that says to Jesus hadn't we done this and that in your name and Jesus says to them get away from me you cursed for i never knew you, they hadn't asked Jesus for forgiveness so they wern't saved to begin with.

 

[Followers4christ]

But if the christians are caught up how would the saints be there that get killed by the anti christ. The christians are the saints so that means those who get killed are christians?

After The Christians are caught up.People who knew the Bible and knew God but did not Believe in Him will finally see everything unfold just as the Bible said it would.Also people who look for anwsers of why Their Family and Friends disappaered will find them in the Bible or be tricked by the Anti christ lies.Few people will come to the Bible and follow christ.But those who do will be hunted by the world and the anti christ.Everyone will wear the anti christ mark or die,the people who refuse the mark cannot buy or sell and will be hunted down and killed.God will have two witnesses preach the good news God will protect them for 1,260 days.After that time the anti christ will slay the two witnesses.People from all nations will refuse them burial.After three and a half days they will rise.(To know more about Gods two witnesses please Read From Revelation 11:1-14) God Bless


Revelation 11:3"And i will give power to my two witnesses,and they will prophesy for 1,260 days,clothed in sackcloth."

 

[markyoz]

After The Christians are caught up.People who knew the Bible and knew God but did not Believe in Him will finally see everything unfold just as the Bible said it would.

Is that about the 5 foolish virgins?

Matthew 25 v 1: 1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them; 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.' 7 Then all those maidens rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9 But the wise replied, 'Perhaps there will not be enough for us and for you; go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.' 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, 'Lord, lord, open to us.' 12 But he replied, 'Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.' 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

 

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[Followers4christ]

Is that about the 5 foolish virgins?

Matthew 25 v 1: 1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them; 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.' 7 Then all those maidens rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9 But the wise replied, 'Perhaps there will not be enough for us and for you; go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.' 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, 'Lord, lord, open to us.' 12 But he replied, 'Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.' 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

Yes.That chapter is talking about No one Knows the day nor hour Of the end times.In Matthew it also says that no one will know the time when Jesus will come.Matthew 24:44"So you also must be ready, because the Son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him."God Bless