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Skeptical said:So the Greek symbols are different from the English yet the English can carry the exact same meaning as the Greek?
woobadooba said:Actually, the word rapture comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" thats found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
You should know that it is best not to limit yourself to the usage of only one language to prove a point, especially since the NT was written in Greek.
And as I had mentioned already, the term rapture doesn't appear in the English, but the concept is present in the idiomatic expression "caught up"
sinner/SAVED said:My argument stands:
The word "rapture" was not in any way connected to the "taking up" of Christians until the 1970's.
No magic hat. No rabbit. Just facts.
If you would care to enlighten us with facts that are contrary to my statement, please feel free to do so.
sinner/SAVED said:I thought we were discussing the word "rapture". I don't recall any mention of grace.
Although this thread could use some...
woobadooba said:From Answers.com
rapture
This article is about the Christian raising up of the faithful. For other meanings, see Rapture (disambiguation). The Rapture is a term most commonly used to describe an event in certain systems of Christian eschatology (study of the end of the world) whereby all true Christians are taken from Earth by God into Heaven before other events associated with the end of the world take place. The main proponent of this concept and interpretation was John Nelson Darby.
The word "rapture" comes from the Latin verb "rapiemur" which means "carried off". It was used in the Latin Vulgate (about 405 A.D.) translation of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
Supporters of this doctrine are most commonly found among fundamentalist and conservative Protestants, especially in the United States. Belief in the rapture is particularly associated with the school of Biblical interpretation called dispensationalism.
The term "rapture" is also used by some groups to describe the concept of religious ecstacy, or a religious out of body experience. This article discusses the use of rapture as an eschatological concept.
405 A.D., not the 70's!
There! I proved your point to be wrong!
Skeptical said:But rapiemur does not equal rapturo which supposedly serves as the root for rapture. In fact, if I remember my high school Latin, the declination of the Latin verb rapio, rapere, rapui, raptus contains no form bearing a resemblance to "rapturo."
woobadooba said:Hey, I agree that this thread could use some grace!
I apologize for being so sarcastic. Sarcasim serves no purpose in discussion except to inflame others.
It's wrong, and I am sorry.
woobadooba said:As I had already mentioned, with different verbal tenses there are different stems.
It all depends on what tense is in useage at the time to know which stem to apply to incur a correct interpretation.
It could also be that your teacher left some important details out, as do many of them, especially in public schools.
Skeptical said:I don't know. Dr. Issing was a retired Latin scholar and a priest who had spent a decade working at the Vatican.
Skeptical said:1. If, in the distant future, humanity were to colonize the moon and perhaps Mars, and the rapture were to happen, would those living on distant planets and moons be raptured as well?
2. Would a human clone be raptured?
3. How about a cybernetic organism composed only of a human nervous system coupled to advanced life support systems?
JJB said:I would answer all those questions "I don't know".
The whole discussion of "rapture" deals with eschatology. Eschatology among Christians varies greatly.
My question to skeptical is: Are you among those who will be raptured?
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