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Imputed righteousness

Is imputed righteousness scriptural or not?

  • No way. It's a fabrication and misinterpretation.

  • Of course it is.

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Ethan_Fetch said:
Yeah, when I start being told that I'm deformed it's time for me to leave the conversation.

I get reported for that kind of thing.

parr for the course Brother , there is a reward waiting for being hated for the truth :D :cool:

this must happen ....;)

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life... and now, when man has faith in Christ, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification, we become "a just person". We have Christ’s righteousness so the Law can’t condemn us (Rom. 8:1; 7:1-6; Rom. 5:1; 4:4-8).
 
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ContraMundum said:
...scriptural or not?

I believe so... Wasn't that the foundation for Luther's "Tower Experience" and Romans 1:17...

"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

The righteousness Luther felt was better viewed as justice or iustia if I remember correctly...

The question then is does man have the ability to reject that imputed righteousness...
 
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holdon said:
But Scripture is clear: righteousness is on the basis of faith, not works, not law.

Actually, the righteousness of God is transferred to us simply by the grace of God:

Ephesians 2
"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
The just live by faith, yes. But God's righteousness is not transferred to us based upon faith. And the end of that passage has mention of imputed righteousness too.
 
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What the detractors of imputed righteousness seem to forget is that the Biblical and protestant position is that imputed righteousness is only one of many things that happen upon conversion.

Other things happen too- we are adopted as sons, heirs, our sanctification begins (which is wrought in the heart) and so forth.

Why people object to imputed righteousness is usually because they think that it is all the protestant movement was trying to say- yet, in fact, every single Reformation confession states that so much more happens than just imputed righteousness.

I think the detractors (and this would possibly include the early Wesley) think that a misunderstanding of this doctrine would lead to antinomianism. It could. But that is no reason to disqualify it from Christian theology, in particular because it is obviously based on scripture.

I tend to agree with Wesley on this- imputed righteousness entitles us for Heaven and imparted righteousness fits us for Heaven. Both occur in the believer.

As for our local Orthodox's favorite doctrine, theosis, this in no way is opposed to what the Reformers were trying to say- it just employs different language and perhaps argues to different conclusions. No decent Reformers ever said that God didn't demand holiness of His people. All affirm that God does indeed make His people holy, for He has predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

The point of contention here on this thread is about whether or not Christ's righteousness is imputed to believers. One poster has objected on the basis of there being no "exchange" mentioned in scripture, but the reply is that there is an obvious implication nonetheless. If God is our righteousness, then we have no righteousness of our own, and in order for God to be our righteousness, there must be an imputation of that righteousness (and subsequently, an impartation of it for holiness) in order for that to occur. There's the "exchange". Personally, I like to be a little more concise than that and say that there is no "exchange", because God doesn't get anything from us, He just gives, so it is not an "exchange" or "trade" but a straight forward imputation.
 
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holdon said:
Sorry, that is all good, but nowhere is it said that Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer. Hence YOUR "i.e." but is your conclusion and wrong....
Why?
And what is this?

JAS 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

Thanks,
Ed
 
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ContraMundum said:
What the detractors of imputed righteousness seem to forget is that the Biblical and protestant position is that imputed righteousness is only one of many things that happen upon conversion.

Other things happen too- we are adopted as sons, heirs, our sanctification begins (which is wrought in the heart) and so forth.

Why people object to imputed righteousness is usually because they think that it is all the protestant movement was trying to say- yet, in fact, every single Reformation confession states that so much more happens than just imputed righteousness.

I think the detractors (and this would possibly include the early Wesley) think that a misunderstanding of this doctrine would lead to antinomianism. It could. But that is no reason to disqualify it from Christian theology, in particular because it is obviously based on scripture.

I tend to agree with Wesley on this- imputed righteousness entitles us for Heaven and imparted righteousness fits us for Heaven. Both occur in the believer.

As for our local Orthodox's favorite doctrine, theosis, this in no way is opposed to what the Reformers were trying to say- it just employs different language and perhaps argues to different conclusions. No decent Reformers ever said that God didn't demand holiness of His people. All affirm that God does indeed make His people holy, for He has predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

The point of contention here on this thread is about whether or not Christ's righteousness is imputed to believers. One poster has objected on the basis of there being no "exchange" mentioned in scripture, but the reply is that there is an obvious implication nonetheless. If God is our righteousness, then we have no righteousness of our own, and in order for God to be our righteousness, there must be an imputation of that righteousness (and subsequently, an impartation of it for holiness) in order for that to occur. There's the "exchange". Personally, I like to be a little more concise than that and say that there is no "exchange", because God doesn't get anything from us, He just gives, so it is not an "exchange" or "trade" but a straight forward imputation.
But didn't Christ become sin for us?
So God did get the sin from us.
And Christ paid for that with his life.
So there is a typical exchange of a sacrifice for someone's sins.

Thanks,
Ed
 
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Edial said:
But didn't Christ become sin for us?
So God did get the sin from us.
And Christ paid for that with his life.
So there is a typical exchange of a sacrifice for someone's sins.

Thanks,
Ed

Worthy point, but one that has often been disputed. I tend to agree with you Ed, but I hesitated to force that point because I know someone will say "the Bible doesn't say that, it says He became a sin offering for us", and we will end up in a world of debating the text. Hence, I just stick to straight up imputation and let the argument develop from there.
 
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ContraMundum said:
Worthy point, but one that has often been disputed. I tend to agree with you Ed, but I hesitated to force that point because I know someone will say "the Bible doesn't say that, it says He became a sin offering for us", and we will end up in a world of debating the text. Hence, I just stick to straight up imputation and let the argument develop from there.

You're right, CM.

We've already seen it.

Somebody asked if the passages I quoted couldn't just as easily imply infusion as imputation and the answer I gave is no, but anyone insistent upon looking at it that way is bound to see it there.

And the same criticism could be made of those of us who see imputation...

But, I think the whole tenor of Scripture, with scapegoats and covenant heads not to mention the incarnation itself and so on requires imputation or attribution rather than infusion.

I'm still waiting for someone to prove us wrong though.

So far all I'm seeing is blank assertion.
 
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ContraMundum said:
...scriptural or not?
Anyone who keeps all 10 commandments has 'inputed Righteousness'.
Since God's Righteousness is the commandments of God (Psalms 119:172).

The New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10) is what 'Inputed Righteousness', is all about.....God, putting His Law, into the hearts and minds of men & women.
 
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Ethan_Fetch said:
Yeah, when I start being told that I'm deformed it's time for me to leave the conversation.

I get reported for that kind of thing.

I didn't say you were deformed. That's a misrepresentation and misquote. I think you have serious problems reading correctly. And that may explain also why you come to a conclusion while citing verses that don't warrant such a conclusion at all.

Since you evoked this sidebar:
We are told to be reformed in our thinking. And those that claim they are the only reformed, accuse de facto that others are not: that they are still deformed in their thinking. The solution is this: or accept that other Christians are also reformed while not sharing your views, or stop using the label reformed for your own views..... Wouldn't that be fair?
 
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cygnusx1 said:
We have Christ’s righteousness so the Law can’t condemn us (Rom. 8:1
Rom 8:1 "There is then now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus."
Are ye ignorant, brethren, (for I speak to those knowing law,) that law rules over a man as long as he lives? 7:2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband so long as he is alive; but if the husband should die, she is clear from the law of the husband: 7:3 so then, the husband being alive, she shall be called an adulteress if she be to another man; but if the husband should die, she is free from the law, so as not to be an adulteress, though she be to another man. 7:4 So that, my brethren, *ye* also have been made dead to the law by the body of the Christ, to be to another, who has been raised up from among the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh the passions of sins, which were by the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit to death; 7:6 but now we are clear from the law, having died in that in which we were held, so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.
Rom. 5:1;
Therefore having been justified on the principle of faith, we have peace towards God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
Now to him that works the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but of debt: 4:5 but to him who does not work, but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. 4:6 Even as David also declares the blessedness of the man to whom God reckons righteousness without works: 4:7 Blessed they whose lawlessnesses have been forgiven, and whose sins have been covered: 4:8 blessed the man to whom the Lord shall not at all reckon sin. [/quote]Cygnus cites these verses above to prove his contention that "we have Christ's righteousness so the Law can’t condemn us".

So, from all these verses it is clear that nowhere is it said that we have Christ's righteousness. And if we are free from the Law it is not because we have received Christ's righteousness, but says the Apostle, because we are dead; dead with Christ and clear from the Law.

By the way, thankfully Christ did a whole lot more than the "ten commandments"......
 
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stumpjumper said:
Actually, the righteousness of God is transferred to us simply by the grace of God:

Ephesians 2
"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."


The just live by faith, yes. But God's righteousness is not transferred to us based upon faith. And the end of that passage has mention of imputed righteousness too.

There is not even a single mention of the word "righteousness" in the passage you quoted.....
 
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Edial said:
Why?
And what is this?

JAS 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

Thanks,
Ed

Again, this verse, as everyone can see, doesn't say anything about Christ's righteousness being imputed to the believer.
 
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W. Kelly on the righteousness of God:

Now it becomes a question of another kind of righteousness altogether. Man is all wrong; there is no righteousness in him. That has been proved already. The only righteousness, therefore, is God's. What it fully means, what its basis is, and how it avails for the blessing of man, are other questions. But the first great truth asserted is, that man, as a whole, man in every grade and variety, being put down as destitute of righteousness according to God, it becomes a question of God showing His righteousness, if so it pleases Him. This He does, and most worthily of Himself.

But how is it done? If God were simply to act in His righteousness without Christ, what must be the effect on man? The whole race at once swept into hell! What does He, then? He has acted in another way, and most righteously, that He may not consign the guiltiest to hell. How can this be? Hearken, then. There is no doubt man has deserved judgment. This has been proved unmistakably by the law in the favoured people that were under it, as well in the Jews as in the lawless Gentiles. But now bursts forth the glorious truth — "The righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ." As he says here: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin," not the putting away, or the pardon of sin, for the law never pretended to do either. "But now," says he, "the righteousness of God" — mark the strength of the language — "without the law," etc. That the Saviour came down from heaven and accomplished the law is the certain truth of God. But is this what the Holy Ghost here presents as God's righteousness? Where is there a word about Christ's keeping the law for us, in order that this should be accepted in lieu of man's failure? In truth, the Jews only are meant by "those under law," and in contrast with the Gentiles, who knew nothing about it. But, waiving this for a moment, surely here was the place to explain the importance of Christ's accomplishing the law for man, had God's righteousness meant anything of the sort. How comes it that there is no trace of such a thought? Are we to believe the Scriptures? Directly or indirectly shall we presume to mend them? Are we to supplement the written word, as if God did not know the truth better than we? Has it not come to a strange pass, that men now, instead of seeking to understand what the righteousness of God means, turn aside from the plain truth that the Holy Ghost here insists on, and interpolate a doctrine not found here, and, I venture to add, very hard to find anywhere else in the Bible? Indeed, my conviction is, that it is unknown and opposed to the word of God.

Here, again, let us understand each other. Do we deny for a moment the subjection of the Lord Jesus to the law of God? God forbid! He did fulfil the law, of course; He glorified God in every possible way in the fulfilment of it. This is no matter of controversy for Christian men. He is no believer who supposes that Christ in any act of His life failed, that He did not entirely and blessedly accomplish the law of God (under which, as we are told, He was made), or that the result could be of small moment to God or man.

The question is, Has His accomplishment of the law of God the place which a certain school gives it? Is it God's righteousness as here taught of Him, or its revealed ground? Assuredly, here we have the doctrine unfolded, and this for the permanent instruction of the Christian. It is the most elaborate statement of this truth that God's word contains. How comes so absolute a silence, where, if true, we could not but look for a clear, decisive introduction of Christ's fulfilment of the law in place of our breach of it? For it is a question not of pardon only, but of justification. To foist something in looks like a fable. Does it not suggest the suspicion, to say the least, that man invented the opinion? There may have been the best intention.

Do I deny that the ways, the walk, the life of Jesus, the magnifying of God in all His ways, are anything to our account? God forbid! We have Jesus wholly, and not in part; we have Jesus everywhere. I am not contending now at all against the precious truth that, Christ being our acceptance, we have Christ as a whole. We have His obedience unbroken through His entire life, and its savour unto God is part of the blessing that belongs to every child of God. I believe it, rejoice in it, thank God for it, I trust, continually. But the question is wholly different. God does use for His own glory and for our souls all that Jesus did, and all that Jesus suffered.

The question is, what is the righteousness of God? It must be settled not by notions, feelings, fancies, traditions, not by what is preached or received, but by what is written — by the word of God. Are you afraid of this test? Do you shrink back from the word which searches out what you hold as to the righteousness of God? It is to be supposed you have reason to fear the scrutiny. When a man shrinks from the Bible, depend upon it it is because the Bible condemns him. It does not support speculations which he is not yet prepared to abandon. Certainly, I do not ask you to abandon anything that is of God. By all means hold fast Christ in all His ways magnifying God, and the blessedness of this for our acceptance before God. Still the question recurs, What is God's righteousness? Is there a legal ground laid for justification, as some suppose?

Here is God's answer. "Now," it is said, "the righteousness of God without the law."No language can be more absolute and precise. What the Holy Ghost employs is an expression which puts the law entirely aside, as far as divine righteousness is concerned. He had been speaking about the law, and the law condemning man. He had shown that the law required righteousness, but could not get it. This isanother order of righteousness, not man's but God's, and this, too, absolutely exclusive of law in any shape. How suitable a time to say, had it been the good news of God, that Jesus came to obey the law for us, and that God substitutes this as His righteousness for every man to stand in! Why is it not said, then? Because it is not the ground, nor character, nor nature of the righteousness of God. That righteousness is wholly apart from law.

 
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Many who rejoice in the testimony of Scripture regarding the imputation of Christ's righteousness to us in justification strenuously object to the equally clear teaching of Holy Scripture that the righteousness of Christ is imparted to chosen, redeemed sinners in sanctification (the new birth). They do so because some heretics use the term "imparted righteousness" to teach that God the Holy Spirit imparts a meritorious righteousness to us, mixing grace and works. But we must not allow some heretic to rob us of the joy of precious gospel truth. I do not intend to quit calling Christ "Christ," because the pope calls him "Christ"!
Let me be crystal clear. – The righteousness of Christ that is imparted to God's elect in regeneration has nothing to do with meriting God's favor in salvation. The righteousness of Christ imparted in the new birth is the righteous nature imparted to (given to and created in) us by God the Holy Spirit in the new birth, by which we have been made "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Pet. 1:4). This "divine nature" is "that new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness" (Eph. 4:24), "Christ in you the hope of glory" (Col. 1:27). It is this new, righteous nature that was created in us in regeneration, which is ever in conflict with the old Adamic nature (Rom. 7:14 -25). It is the "seed" of God placed in man, which "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).
All that our father Adam did as our federal head in the garden, we did in him. All that Adam did was imputed to (charged to) us by God. So that we were "made sinners" by that one man's sin. All that Adam became as the result of his fall, we became by natural generation. Every human being, being born of the seed of Adam, is born in sin, a natural born sinner, depraved in all his being. Adam's sin was judicially, legally imputed to us when he sinned in the garden; and his sinful nature was imparted to us in time when we were born of his seed by natural generation.
In like manner, all that Christ did in his obedience to the will of God, as the Federal Head and Representative of his elect, we did in him. His righteousness was imputed to (charged to) us when he died as our Substitute in the complete accomplishment of our justification (Rom. 4:25 ). As it was that we received Adam's fallen nature by natural generation, in the new birth (regeneration) all who are born of God have Christ's righteous nature as our Mediator imparted to us.
"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." -Rom. 5:18-19
In verse 18 the Holy Spirit tells us, "by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Notice that the words here have reference to that which was done in the past. When Christ was "made sin" and satisfied the justice of God for us by his death upon the cross, we were made "the righteousness of God in him." His righteousness was imputed to us in justification.
Now, look at verse 19. – "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Here when the Spirit of God speaks of the result of Christ's obedience unto death, he tells us that "by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Here he uses the future tense. Those words cannot possibly refer to righteousness being imputed to us in justification. That was done at Calvary . Here the Scriptures assert that all who were "made righteous" in justification (the righteousness of Christ being imputed to them), shall, at the appointed "time of love," be "made righteous" in the new birth by the righteousness of Christ being imparted to them in the new creation of grace.
The righteousness of Christ imputed to us in justification is the basis for and cause of the righteousness of Christ being imparted to us by the Holy Spirit in regeneration.
Imputed righteousness is an act of God's grace in redemption. Because the Lord Jesus Christ lived in righteousness upon this earth as our Representative and died under the penalty of God's law as our Substitute, the law and justice of God declare that we are righteous. The very righteousness of Christ, his perfect obedience to God as a man, has been imputed to us. That is to say, righteousness has been laid to our account.
In exactly the same manner as our sins were imputed to Christ, his righteousness has been imputed to us. When the holy Lord God made his darling Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, sin for us, he charged him with our sin. The Son of God became responsible to the law of God for the sins of his elect. And the penalty of sin was exacted from him. He died under the wrath of God. Even so, God having imputed the righteousness of Christ to us who believe, we have become responsible for righteousness in the sight of God's law. And we shall receive the just reward of the law for righteousness, eternal life, and everlasting glory.
As our works of sin were made to be our Redeemer's, so his works of righteousness have been made ours. As he received the reward of our sin, we must receive the reward of his righteousness. That is substitution. Our righteousness before God is perfect, unalterable righteousness. It is the righteousness of Christ, our Substitute. Child of God, can you realize this? Your standing, your acceptance with God never varies. God is always well pleased with you in his Son!
Imparted righteousness is an act of God's grace in regeneration. In the new birth God gives his people a new heart, a new will, a new nature created in righteousness and true holiness. Your standing before God is not improved at all by imparted righteousness in the new birth. Imparted righteousness is God giving you a heart, nature, and will of righteousness so that you now love the things you once hated and hate the things you once loved. By this act of divine grace in regeneration the righteous nature of Christ is imparted to God's elect.
We rejoice in the righteousness of Christ imputed in justification and in the righteousness of Christ imparted in regeneration. Both are precious boons of God's free grace in salvation; and both are necessary. They should be maintained and fully preached side by side. The righteousness by which we are justified is imputed. The righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted. The first is our title to heaven, the second is our fitness for heaven.
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." -2 Pet. 1:3-4

Just as the fallen, unrighteous nature of Adam was imparted to all men by natural birth, the holy, righteous nature of Christ is imparted to all God's elect in the new birth. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us for justification. And the righteousness of Christ is imparted to us in regeneration, by the irresistible power and effectual grace of God the Holy Spirit (1 Pet. 3:10 -12; 1 John 3:7-9).
I am not saying that the believer is without sin! He is not. Sin is what we are by nature. Sin is mixed with all we do. Sin mars our best thoughts, blackens our best deeds, corrupts our best words, and defiles our noblest aspirations.
I am not saying that the old nature is changed in regeneration; it is not. Flesh is always flesh. It never improves. It never becomes spirit. It only corrupts, rots and, thank God, in time dies.
I am not saying that the believer's works can ever be accepted before God upon their own merit! They are not. We offer up our prayers and sacrifices to God, which are accepted by him, only upon the merits of Christ's righteousness and blood atonement (1 Pet. 2:5).
But I am saying that the person who is born of God is a new creature in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17 ). He has a new nature, which is Christ in him the hope of glory (Col. 1:27). All who are born of God walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:16 -23). We love the law and truth of God. We love holiness. But, oh, the evil of our hearts!
There is a constant warfare within! (See Rom. 7:14-25). All who are born of God mind the things of God ( Rom. 8:5). This is imparted righteousness. Believers love Christ and one another. They identify themselves with Christ, his gospel, and his church. Believers are men and women of honesty and integrity. They live honestly, pay their bills, and speak the truth. Believers hate their sin and long to be free of it. They are generous, kind, and merciful. In a word, all who are born of God are committed to Christ, sold out to him. And they will continue in the faith, clinging to Christ alone unto the end.
Those who do not have this imparted righteousness are no more born of God than those who do not have Christ's imputed righteousness are justified before God.

Whew, that's a lot to type. Anyway, that's my take on it.
 
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holdon said:
There is not even a single mention of the word "righteousness" in the passage you quoted.....

The righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith because of God's grace:

[bible]Romans 1:17[/bible]

Now if you read up towards Romans chapter 3 it get's even clearer:

[bible]Romans 3:24[/bible]

Romams 3:24 is a parrallel of 4 Maccabees 17:22 which stated: "Through the blood of these pious ones and through the expiation (hilasterion) of their death the divine providence rescued Israel"

Paul then follows that up with verses 25 and 26 that expand upon that parrallel between the blood of the pious ones in Maccabees and Christ:

[bible]Romans 3:25-26[/bible]

Hilasterion, the word that is translated as expiation in Maccabees, means something along the lines of purification or expiation and is the same word used to describe the lid of the ark in Exodus 25:17...

Anyway, back to Romans 1:17. Luther's "Tower Experience" was his "discovery" of imputed righteousness in Romans 1:17. It's not really a discovery, though, because St. Augustine wrote the same thing about the righteousness of God being revealed by Grace and accepted through faith.

It is a legal term, like justice, and it is imputed upon the sinner as a free act of God because of the expiation of our sins by Christ Jesus...

So, from all these verses it is clear that nowhere is it said that we have Christ's righteousness. .

Umm. Yes you do.

Romans 1:17 is pretty clear about God's righteousness being revealed from faith to faith and Christ's atonement was pretty prominent in Romans.

I don't think Paul was writing about the expiation of our sins because of the work of Odin or anything...
 
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Okay, you're right. You didn't call me deformed, you called my thinking deformed.

That's much less offensive.

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Ethan_Fetch said:
Okay, you're right. You didn't call me deformed, you called my thinking deformed.

That's much less offensive.

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I'm trying to figure out how a person's thinking can be separated from the person..."As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he...."

Once again, let God (and His Word) be true, and every man a liar....

Your original take was accurate, his follow-up post notwithstanding. All he did was restate it in less obvious terms. Same as it ever was.... :sigh:
 
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