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Imposing Christianity

Would you accept a state imposed form of Christianity, or Christian morals

  • i am... Christian, AGREE

  • Christian, AGREE with some aspects, but choice even for non-Christians is important

  • Christian, NO WAY!!

  • This would be unrealistic-ie divisions over morality in Christianity

  • unsure

  • non-Christian, AGREE with some aspects (ie morality), but choice for non-Christians is important

  • i am non-Christian, NO WAY!!


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xhristlives

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I am interested in hearing from Christians and non-Christians as to whether they would accept the imposition of Christian values on society, say for example in the form of a Christian government...would some aspects appeal to you which you would agree with... Would you accept this idea if Christianity as a religion was not forced upon people, but rather Christian morality etc

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I would most definitely not accept that, for two reasons. One, in my country, it would go against everything we are meant to stand for, and two, I wouldn't trust it to stop there. Once Christian values start to be forced upon people, I can very easily see it ending in Christianity being so forced.

I would really rather not live in a theocracy.
 
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Define 'Christian Values'. Would these be the Catholic 'Christian Values'? or Baptist 'Christian Values'? or Salvation Army 'Christian Values'? Since there is no such thing as a single monolithic religion called 'Christianity' nor are there a set of universal 'Christian' moral codes I think this concept is unworkable. In my opinion, most people that propose this type of thing want 'their' religious values imposed on others. Sounds like some kind of religious dictatorship to me.
 
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I say no way plus it would be unrealistic because there are divisions in morality. Considering this is a country of Protestants, many of the other Christian faiths would take a backseat and then you'd see a power grab from different groups to impose their own religious/irreligious values on others.

Secular is the way to go and it's why the overtly religious people in this country can be overtly religious. They whine about secularism but don't even realize that secularism has allowed places like the U.S. to have such a large number of theists while Europe has drifted towards atheism. Having to follow one religious would tend to do that to people.
 
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by imposing Christianity. if you mean compelling non-believes to voice with their lips what is not in their hearts to avoid the stake or the gallows the of course no. On the otherhand if you mean politicians or electors acting on the godly influence that has been pkaced upon their conscience to say oppose abortion, support capital punishment or oppose social benefits for homosexual couples then of course the Christian has every right to act upon their principles with the understanding that in a society/republic which contains both wheat and tares arguements on social policy must be stated in a manner that the unbeliever can grasp. It is not enough to merely point to the Truth of the Bible which is in fact hidden from the unregenerate mind. But not to worry if a social policy is truly in accord with God's law the supporting arguements are there in Nature to be found and expounded.
 
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Force a religion on people? No. Give people that choice to follow a religion and let them? (as long as they dont cause trouble because of their beleifs) Yes.
Now i dont mind people of different religions and faith as a PART of a government, but not a religion-based government.

State and religion should always be seperate.

Does that answer the question, because your poll choices did not make much sense to me :sorry:
 
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Wulff said:
I would not expect people to follow Christianity but I have no problem mandating the methods of government on society. That is how this country was begun anyway. People are free to choose to disregard Christ but the governmental methods should be mandatory.


The morals in the Qur'an are far superior to those in the bible. Yet look what happens to states such as Iran or Saudi Arabia when those laws and morals are forced on people! This is not how our country began. Our country was meant to be secular so that no religion would ever be persecuted!
 
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xhristlives said:
I am interested in hearing from Christians and non-Christians as to whether they would accept the imposition of Christian values on society, say for example in the form of a Christian government...would some aspects appeal to you which you would agree with... Would you accept this idea if Christianity as a religion was not forced upon people, but rather Christian morality etc

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I would say definitly not. I do not agree with Christian values and find some Christian morals immoral, so I should not have to follow immoral actions.
 
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I voted Christian, AGREE with some aspects, but choice even for non-Christians is important.

Developing a Christian view of government is difficult since the Bible does not provide an exhaustive treatment of government. Because the Bible does not speak directly to every area of political discussion, Christians often hold different views on particular political issues. As citizens, Christians have been given a number of responsibilities. They are called to render service and obedience to the government (Matt. 22:21). Because it is a God-ordained institution, they are to submit to civil authority (1 Pet. 2:13–17) as they would to other institutions of God. They are to obey civil authorities (Rom.13:5) in order to avoid anarchy and chaos, but there may be times when they may be forced to disobey (Acts 5:29). A Christian view of government also recognizes the need to limit the influence of sin in society.
 
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Christianity... the gift of Christ will be Self-imposed.

Is 32:3 Then at last the eyes of Israel will open wide to God and his
people will listen to his voice.

Is 32:5 In those days the ungodly, the atheists, will not be heroes!
Wealthy cheaters will not be spoken of as generous, outstanding men!

HOLY BUT SEPARATE:
 
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JimfromOhio said:
A Christian view of government also recognizes the need to limit the influence of sin in society.

Where in the bible does it say that? I don't think God would command anyone to limit the influence of sin in society. Actually, I think that goes against God's wishes for everyone to have free will and to be able to sin, or for people to not judge others.
 
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newlamb said:
I would not make Christianity the official religion, but I do think that a legal system based on Christian morality could only be a plus.

I consider many Christian morals to be immoral, so I don't see how immoral things could be good for society.
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
Where in the bible does it say that? I don't think God would command anyone to limit the influence of sin in society. Actually, I think that goes against God's wishes for everyone to have free will and to be able to sin, or for people to not judge others.

Where in the Bible does it say that God wishes for everyone to be able to sin? Rather, the Bible includes books where God imposed judgement on societies which would not leave their sin behind.
 
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newlamb said:
Where in the Bible does it say that God wishes for everyone to be able to sin? Rather, the Bible includes books where God imposed judgement on societies which would not leave their sin behind.

We have free will because God loves us. So, he obviously wants us to have the free will to do "sinful" things.
 
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