Important interpretation? : does having been a monkey, help all future "evolutions" in a monkey way?

[Believer000]

Hi there,

So this is a blank slate type question, I really don't know what your position is:

You can see that the interpretation is open, at the moment: right? Like there is nothing to say that having been a monkey will help a human deal with monkey type selection pressures, even if they are not technically still a monkey?

Maybe it partially helps? Could something that used to be human, go back to a tail, if it turned out that living in trees was the only way to survive?

Not trying to let the wind out of your sails, but there is a gap between changing and making the change for a reason - if you get me?

IDK just riffing on the idea that Evolution doesn't just matter now, but matters into the future...

Or of course you could keep claiming its random, and that it's just a question of which randomness wins out in the end?

Lord, help them answer!

If you wish to believe you evolved from a monkey then perhaps ask one of your relatives?.

 

[Tanj]

OK my why question is WHY would it have stopped

Evolution never stopped.

if it ever happened in the past it should still be happening today. Do we see any monkeys turning into humans today?

As I said, it took 4 million years for us, so get back to me in 4 million years and we'll see where we're at.

 

[Believer000]

Evolution never stopped.



As I said, it took 4 million years for us, so get back to me in 4 million years and we'll see where we're at.

And you know it took '4 million years' how exactly? Were you there at the start of this 4 million years?.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And you know it took '4 million years' how exactly?

The fossils of humans and chimps converge about then. (I think it's about 6-7 million years, but whatever.) The fossils are dated by their strata using a variety of methods.

Were you there at the start of this 4 million years?.

I'm not allowed to talk about that.

 

[Shemjaza]

And you know it took '4 million years' how exactly? Were you there at the start of this 4 million years?.

Multiple methods of radiometric dating as confirmed by other methods of measuring years and calibrated with one another.

As well as measurements of genetic drift and variance between non coding DNA.

 

[Tanj]

And you know it took '4 million years' how exactly? Were you there at the start of this 4 million years?.

And you know Jesus was born when, exactly? Were you there at the start?

 

[disciple Clint]

...I just listed the fossils and genetic patterns of relatedness?

Do you consider that evidence of Macro evolution?

 

[disciple Clint]

I'm said multiple times already, there's no reason to assume pressures on other primates would lead to the same results.

Modern monkeys don't live in the same environments, they don't have the same traits and they definitely don't have the same background as the ancestral populations that became apes.

Not much of an excuse now is it?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Not much of an excuse now is it?

It's not an excuse, it's a reason.

 

[Believer000]

And you know Jesus was born when, exactly? Were you there at the start?

Well, we have something called the Bible...

 

[Believer000]

Multiple methods of radiometric dating as confirmed by other methods of measuring years and calibrated with one another.

As well as measurements of genetic drift and variance between non coding DNA.

Everything you just said is based on theory.

 

[disciple Clint]

Evolution never stopped.



As I said, it took 4 million years for us, so get back to me in 4 million years and we'll see where we're at.

Well 4 million years to start and then how long for it to stop, why do we not see it today where are those part monkey part humans of today? There is no evidence that man was ever a monkey.

 

[Believer000]

The fossils of humans and chimps converge about then. (I think it's about 6-7 million years, but whatever.) The fossils are dated by their strata using a variety of methods.



I'm not allowed to talk about that.

Your evidence? Please do tell.

 

[disciple Clint]

It's not an excuse, it's a reason.

There was no reason in that answer, to believe that something such as a monkey becoming a man would just stop is not reasonable, people believe that evolution is a law that they can believe in without question but a law in science does not stop, it is a law because it consistently acts in the very same way.

 

[Tanj]

Well 4 million years to start

No. 4 million years. Not to start. 4 million years to get to where we are now

and then how long for it to stop

There is no stop.

why do we not see it today where are those part monkey part humans of today?

4 million years.

There is no evidence that man was ever a monkey.

There is more evidence for man being a monkey than there is for gravity. The fact you do not have the training, education or experience to even begin to understand the most basic aspect of evolutionary evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As an aside, I earn a great deal of money, primarily from pharma companies, for my evolutionary expertise. I write papers, book chapters, even textbooks used by secondary and tertiary level students...quite possibly your children. I get invited to fly business class to New York to present work to the pharma companies I work with.

You post ignorance on an anonymous website read by 4 people, one of them me.

 

[Tanj]

Well, we have something called the Bible...

And where in this something called the Bible does it set the date of Jesus' birth? Date and time. From someone that was there as well, since that is the bar you set for me, otherwise you are just being a hypocrite.

 

[disciple Clint]

No. 4 million years. Not to start. 4 million years to get to where we are now



There is no stop.



4 million years.



There is more evidence for man being a monkey than there is for gravity. The fact you do not have the training, education or experience to even begin to understand the most basic aspect of evolutionary evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As an aside, I earn a great deal of money, primarily from pharma companies, for my evolutionary expertise. I write papers, book chapters, even textbooks used by secondary and tertiary level students...quite possibly your children. I get invited to fly business class to New York to present work to the pharma companies I work with.

You post ignorance on an anonymous website read by 4 people, one of them me.

Well then feel free to provide some evidence and conclusive proof that man was once a monkey, should be easy with all that expertise.

 

[Shemjaza]

Do you consider that evidence of Macro evolution?

Absolutely.

Not much of an excuse now is it?

No excuse required.

Evolution isn't a set path, it's a statistical consequence of the environment acting on available variations.

There was no reason in that answer, to believe that something such as a monkey becoming a man would just stop is not reasonable, people believe that evolution is a law that they can believe in without question but a law in science does not stop, it is a law because it consistently acts in the very same way.

Technological intelligence has occurred a single time in Earth's history, and the particular scenario that allowed it to happen does not apply to modern monkeys.

Modern monkeys are still evolving, they just aren't evolving into humans, that would be so unlikely that it verges on impossible.

All life adapts to the environment it lives in and modern monkeys have apes to contend with even if they did start down that path.

An excellent analogy is the development of languages. The ancient Roman people who lived in what is now France spoke classical Latin... but their language developed into French. Do you also wonder why modern Italian people aren't speaking a language more like French?

 

[Shemjaza]

Everything you just said is based on theory.

It's a conclusion from evidence.

The theories of physics, geology and biology are some of the most sound and verified scientific theories we have.

 

[Shemjaza]

Well then feel free to provide some evidence and conclusive proof that man was once a monkey, should be easy with all that expertise.

What's wrong with the genetic evidence and the fossil evidence?