Implications of humans making deal with aliens

[steve78]

Ah. Then I might recommend we all get a little more practice here first.
Of course, with whole 'glorified bodies' thing, it might not be so dangerous then. Who knows?

Not much chance of practice. Organized religion and billionaires run the world. Getting rid of both helps.

 

[Petros2015]

The only "satan" in all of this is the governments and organized religion that keep their existence secret from the public.

I feel like that would be remarkably difficult when all I would need to do is park a UFO 30 meters above Times Square and let it sit there for a week or two. That is, if I had one. More likely, they are either a) not there or b) not interested in talking or c) might be interested in talking depending on what we had to say.

Huh. That actually sounds a little familiar for some reason...

 

[Petros2015]

I think you'll probably meet AI probes before you meet live aliens anyway.
Think about it; what does first contact with Mars look like?
Our little satellite orbits and then a small rover and then slightly bigger ones.
It's impractical to send humans on 100 year journeys; we'll send computer driven
bots first. And of course those will be collecting samples, not starting dialogues.

Just watch out for the ones that plant Flags. That's not good

 

[steve78]

I feel like that would be remarkably difficult when all I would need to do is park a UFO 30 meters above Times Square and let it sit there for a week or two. That is, if I had one. More likely, they are either a) not there or b) not interested in talking or c) might be interested in talking depending on what we had to say.

Huh. That actually sounds a little familiar for some reason...

The universe is too big and too many stars for humans to be alone. Aliens have been visiting us for thousands of years. However we have turned them into supernatural beings and wrote loads of stories in old religious books about them and spent the past two thousands years killing each other over which is the correct Alien to worship.

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[steve78]

I think you'll probably meet AI probes before you meet live aliens anyway.
Think about it; what does first contact with Mars look like?
Our little satellite orbits and then a small rover and then slightly bigger ones.
It's impractical to send humans on 100 year journeys; we'll send computer driven
bots first. And of course those will be collecting samples, not starting dialogues.

Just watch out for the ones that plant Flags. That's not good

We will find primitive or basic life within the next thirty years. Intelligent life is a whole new ball game though, the sheer vastness of space makes it difficult to communicate. What we don't know is if the aliens who were coming in bible times still exist. They must have been thousands of years ahead of us in technology, did they wipe themselves out with nukes?

 

[Jipsah]

If aliens existed and countries have been in contact with them in the past, and made deals with the aliens in exchange for advanced technologies and other knowledge... what are the implications of this from the bible's/Christianity's point of view ?

Hey Mike, think of it this way. Back in the day, your ancestors and mine were the aliens. They were "devils", who spoke barbarous languages and had diabolically slanted eyes. Europeans weren't sure they even had souls.

Turned out they were just folks who lived a long way away.

I'm not all all sure there are any ET aliens. If there are, I see no reason to assume that they're any more "devils" than our great-great-great-great grandparents were. Innocent until proven guilty, I say.

 

[Jipsah]

Yes I think there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that comes together to suggest an End times Scenario like this on the point that UFO and their inhabitants are fallen angel or demons.

UFOs are usually airplanes, and there is no verifiable evidence of the existence or aliens, or flying saucers, or demons posing as aliens in flying saucers, at all. That's comic book eschatology.

He noticed a pattern that people who had lots of UFO sightings often had a background in the occult.

I.E., they were crackpots.

Because he never saw one, and he had colleges that had many sightings that only spent a small fraction of the time he did star watching etc.

Prima facie evidence that he isn't a crackpot.

2) A number of people have drawn similar kind of conclusions, that UFOs are not space travelers

Again, UFOs, UNIDENTIFIED flying objects, usually turn out to be airplanes. Not flying saucers.

but rather extra dimensional, "non physical" phenomenon.

Which is a crackpot consclusion based on no evidence.

3)If you look at the testimony of UFO abductees they end up being brain washed with all this new age stuff, that sounds like much of the same basic message of New Age mediums. Quite often they are preoccupied talking about Jesus, but how his message, nature etc. "is misunderstood" etc.

Further evidence that they're crackpots.

4) Lots of people seem to be primed to want to believe in a kind of UFO Gospel

Who?

, that life was seeded here by them, and that they are benevolent beings that will save us from ourselves and lead us into enlightenment

Which I suppose that the most frequently seen imaginings of human contact with space aliens involve interplanetary war. So much for dreams of enlightenment.

5) Early Genesis concerning "the Watchers" also mirrors this kind of thing. The angelic sons of God did give the early humans various kinds of technological knowledge.

That stuff generally comes from people who have become enthralled with the apalling work of fiction styled "the Book of Enoch". -sigh-

 

[Jipsah]

Am in the conspiracy forum?

Trust No One!

 

[Jipsah]

There is no intelligent life outside this planet.

There's as much evidence that there is as that there isn't - namely, none. Any asertionon whetrher there is or ain't is simpy a statement of faith. I put my faith elsewhere.

Any entities that people think are aliens would classically have been described as demons, and that is what they are.

So my Asian ancestors were demons. Thanks a lot.

 

[Jipsah]

It's rare, but it's out there

You know that how?

 

[Jipsah]

Your answer is no you have not studied it?

I have studied ETs. Took 5 minutes. Conclusion - maybe there is, maybe there ain't. No data is no data.

 

[Jipsah]

reconsidered

 

[Jipsah]

Are angels terrestrial?

Angels is angels. Not "aliens" in flying saucers.

 

[Jipsah]

Space aliens are really just demons / fallen angels.

What space aliens?

 

[Jipsah]

The aliens are the strong delusion and the time is coming when we will be expected to believe that they created us.

What aliens?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I don't understand your remark. Can you clarify?

If you mean aliens, according to witnesses they claim to come from other planets and have told various other falsehoods.

People also claim to have seen sasquatch and lizard people.

"Witnesses" doesn't exactly make for a compelling argument on its own. Sociologists have been trying to point out for years that eye witness testimony isn't as reliable as we often think; because humans are notoriously fallible.

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There are many cases of eye witnesses picking the wrong person in a police lineup, it happens with enough frequency that it's not simply an exception to the rule, but is closer to the rule itself.

There's a reason why even in the Torah God established a principle for Israel's law courts to require the testimony of at least two or three witnesses. Israel's law courts were to be exceptionally strict, because when the punishment for a crime was severe it was very important to ensure a proper execution of due diligence, due process, and real justice.

As I see it, when balancing the question upon Occam's Razor that the most likely explanation is the true; then the question of which is more likely: A lot of people are either lying or mistaken, or we have been visited by non-earthly intelligent creatures but there's just no empirical evidence and/or the governments of the world are successfully keeping it a secret from the masses--I'm going to go with a lot of people are either lying or mistaken.

Aliens aren't demons.
And people aren't being visited by aliens.

The question of whether there is life, even intelligent life, somewhere out there in the universe remains an open question without an answer. But sheer probability would suggest that we being all alone in this great big universe is unlikely. It would be more shocking that there is life no where else than that there was.

But we don't know, we can't know, not until something actually happens. And that is exceedingly unlikely; the very physical laws of the universe, as we thus far understand them, make travel between the stars immensely prohibitive. The time it would take to travel between stars, even with exceedingly fast speeds (but never exceeding the speed of light, which is impossible) would be in the order of hundreds of years to hundreds of thousands of years.

The closest star to the sun is Proxima Centauri, and the fastest object ever launched by man into space is--believe it or not--a manhole cover that was launched into space by an atomic bomb test in the 1950's. It reached about 120,000 mph (~193,121 km/h). That's five times the escape velocity of the earth. Even allowing a human piloted vessel going at those speeds (and safely), it would still take over 6.5 years to reach our nearest star system located only about 4 light years away. For comparison, from one edge of the Milky Way Galaxy to the other is 105,000 light years across. And our galaxy is, by comparison to the known, observable universe not even a tiny blip, it is cosmically nanoscopic.

Also, for further comparison, the fastest human piloted craft was Apollo 10 which reached a top speed of 24,792 mph. A craft going that fast would take over 30 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jipsah]

Alexa! "All your base are belong to us!"

Someone set up us the bomb.

 

[Jipsah]

God has promised His Kingdom to humanity. There isn`t anything left for aliens and they are not what they claim to be.

Again, my ancestors were once "the aliens", devils transmarine. Turns out, they weren't, at all. They were just people. Boring story, huh?

 

[Jipsah]

They are not really grey, it's there spacesuits that are grey. Really small brown humanoid creatures.

Right. With light-up fingertips.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Right. With light-up fingertips.

And absolutely love Reese's Pieces.

-CryptoLutheran