Immoral

[James T]

Actually, I would like to know your and other's opinions, that way I can learn. I will probably disagee with you, but will neither like or dislike where it takes us, unless it takes us somewhere physically painful. (Like the last trip to the dentist I had to make.)

I start with nihilism, see www.nihil.org, because being the true atheist (TM) that I am I believe that there is no ultimate joker card that I can play to trump the trumps and save me the need to actually front the issue and decide on appropriate moral behaviour for myself.

The reason I suggested that you would not like where the relying on the bible would take us is because some of the language in the bible is both gruesome and bigotted and god is routinely quoted as the justification for both sides of a war. What, after all, is a holy war but a war between people who both claim god is on their side.

I was also sort of irritated that you ignored the possibility that my original answer was actually an answer to the OP and had the feeling that you were just leading in to quoting the bible as an authority on this without being open in your expression of this position. A concern I had that you subsequently confirmed.

I hate going to the dentist. About three weeks ago I went to see the dentist. He asked how my day was going. I said great up until about half an hour ago his nurse queried further to understand what I meant but the dentist answered for me, telling her that this was because I was coming to see him . My estimation of the guy went up in that instant, a dentist with a sense of humour.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Yes, I was pretty sure that your agenda was to refer back to the bible.

I don't really want to follow you down this route because you will not like where it takes us.

The fact that you state this shows an agenda of your own.
Agenda is a neutral word and the route you suggest takes you to a place that you will not enjoy either.
So I suppose this post is a stalemate as far as saying something.

In and of itself, morality based on time tested, referable and stable points is a morality; which to a degree would be considered conservative or reflective of Forest's statement. To insure that an attempt to place my general statement out of context isn't a temptation, that isn't to be confused with ignorance and not testing the wisdom/understanding though.

 

[crazyfingers]

I agree that those are instances of acting imorally, but, the OP was asking what makes something immoral, or why is that immoral.

The OP says "To you, what makes something immoral?" and those were my responses. An explanation was not necessary to answer the question.

 

[crazyfingers]

Where does he talk about "violating the rights of others"?

I didn't say he did. I answered the question in the op what was "To you, what makes something immoral?.

 

[AdamAnderson21]

To look at things as either black or white, moral or immoral, is misleading. I don't use these terms. An action or thought is either good or evil. These terms should have no moral attachments equated with them. Something is good if God is present in it and something is evil if God is not present in it. Good things bring us closer to God and evil things take us away from God.

God is an aggregate of infinities, paradoxes, and things beyond complete human comprehension, usually dealing with creation, death, and psychology, that is generally personified for ease of discussion.

In this case I am focusing in on psychology. There is no absolute morals. I discussed this momentairly in a group I attended, the Self Knowledge Symposium, after we read a piece of literature, and the leader stated that he didn't mean to imply with the selection of the piece of literature that there is no absolute morality. He then said "I think we all would agree that boiling a baby is wrong". But what if the person doing the boiling really truly believed that what they were doing was right? What if throught that action they actually grew closer to God?

Good and evil are merely terms that describe things that bring us closer to heaven. By heaven I mean a mentalstate. The seventh heaven, the seventh chakra, the seventh Elohim, the seventh creational energy, Christ Consciousness, Krishna Consciousness. The seventh density of existence. Things that are good and evil are relative to each psychological framework. But for the very large vast majority of people there are certain "rules" to our consciousness. If we commit an act, for example murder or stealing, we will feel a certain way. That's why religions make normative suggestions on how to live. We all have our own personal demons.

The seventh density is defined as recognition as all seven densities simultaniously. The consciousness of someone at this level makes no distinction between the "self" and the group. They are one and the same.

Peace.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I didn't say he did. I answered the question in the op what was "To you, what makes something immoral?.

Sorry, mate, my mistake. I thought your post was by someone else.

 

[Forest]

The reason I suggested that you would not like where the relying on the bible would take us is because some of the language in the bible is both gruesome and bigotted and god is routinely quoted as the justification for both sides of a war. What, after all, is a holy war but a war between people who both claim god is on their side.

Rather than Bible, more specifically, I should have said the teachings of Jesus.