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That's part of the speculation, all right. But if God can become one of his creatures, if God can LIVE AND FUNCTION in a physical world that's full of sin, I am sure that he can be conceived in the womb of a human woman, sinner or not.But how can the Holy Spirit be mixed with a sinful seed of women?
I don't agree with that.
Jesus was fully man and fully God.
Jesus was sinless.
But he came from his mother Mary, and from the Holy Spirit/God.
I would say Mary needed to be at least saved, or have the Holy Spirit. Or maybe even sinless, in order to give birth to our Lord.
I'm not saying we should worship or pray to Mary, But this is the birth of God himself.
Because she was chosen as the vessel for and as a servant (handmaiden) of GOD to be the mother to bear and bring into the world THE SONI like how you pointed that they all gave Glory to God.
Why was Mary full of grace and what does that mean
That's part of the speculation, all right. But if God can become one of his creatures, if God can LIVE AND FUNCTION in a physical world that's full of sin, I am sure that he can be conceived in the womb of a human woman, sinner or not.
Because she was chosen as the vessel for and as a servant (handmaiden) of GOD to be the mother to bear and bring into the world THE SON
How else could HE come into the world in flesh but as a son
That's part of the speculation, all right. But if God can become one of his creatures, if God can LIVE AND FUNCTION in a physical world that's full of sin, I am sure that he can be conceived in the womb of a human woman, sinner or not.
As Miknik was thinking, for God to become a human UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES basically destroys that nicety. And, in fact, many Christians would argue that this--God deigning to lower himself to be one of us, as a helpless baby, born in a cave or manger, etc.--is part of the idea of him coming to us. He could, of course, have come as a mighty king in the clouds waving his hand and proclaiming that all men are now forgiven their sins.It is all a miracle, I agree.
I know in scripture interbreeding between holy line and immoral line was sinful. If I am correct Israel could not breed with Canaanite?
Thats why I am a bit spectical, because wouldn't God make everything perfect for Christ? Of course he is able to to either way.
As Miknik was thinking, for God to become a human UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES basically destroys that nicety. And, in fact, many Christians would argue that this--God deigning to lower himself to be one of us, as a helpless baby, born in a cave or manger, etc.--is part of the idea of him coming to us. He could, of course, have come as a mighty king in the clouds waving his hand and proclaiming that all men are now forgiven their sins.
You responded to a poster that JESUS did not reveal HIS GLORY while in the wombNo he did not,
Yes, but again, that's 'people.' I don't see any reason to limit the Creator to the procedures he's imposed upon his own creatures.And yet in the OT we see people dying from touching the Ark of the Covenant inadvertantly. All the Jewish religious rituals were to allow sinful mortals to commune with God without dying.
You responded to a poster that JESUS did not reveal HIS GLORY while in the womb
Yes, HE did
HE did for Elizabeth and John
(who was also in the womb)
Saved, yes. And perhaps that is the case. But the Immaculate Conception is something else.Then wouldn't it be fitting the first person he saved or purified from sin would be his own mother?
Yes, but again, that's 'people.' I don't see any reason to limit the Creator to the procedures he's imposed upon his own creatures.
That's why I chose the word "procedures" for my reply. I think that what FireDragon was referring to--being struck dead for touching the Ark of the Covenant--is of a different character from what you have in mind.But you would expect God to obey them or live in those confines, especially since he fulfilled all the laws, never sinned, was temped just as we were.
Yes I agree.Then wouldn't it be fitting the first person he saved or purified from sin would be his own mother?
But then all would have perishedAs Miknik was thinking, for God to become a human UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES basically destroys that nicety. And, in fact, many Christians would argue that this--God deigning to lower himself to be one of us, as a helpless baby, born in a cave or manger, etc.--is part of the idea of him coming to us. He could, of course, have come as a mighty king in the clouds waving his hand and proclaiming that all men are now forgiven their sins.
It's not a blessing to be sent out from the original and holy presence of full fellowship with GOD to be covered in a tainted covering and the way blocked lest we eat from the "TREE OF LIFE"
That's not a blessing
Romans 1:3 through Romans 1:4 has that answerBut you would expect God to obey them or live in those confines, especially since he fulfilled all the laws, never sinned, was temped just as we were.
I'm still not certain about Holy Spirit impregnating/creating seed with a sinner.
We never were destined for it by or through our own attempts. It was a starting place to bring us to THE ONE who would take us homeQuestion: if we were still in "the Original Home" (which by the sound of it doesn't seem like it was infinite or anything so it would have become too crowded to fit everyone, anyway, since things existed outside the Garden anyway, the Garden was the only "perfect" area, or almost perfect), what would we be doing?
We're deep into "what ifs" now, but I'd say that the shepherds and wise men were no more covered at Jesus' birth than God could have provided for everyone if he'd come in some other way.But then all would have perished
No one, unless they had the "RIGHT COVERING" could cone into the PRESENCE of the FULL
and HOLY GLORY of GOD
We lost that privilege when we were sent out from THE ORIGINAL HOME
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