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Right. They don't pretend to have a uniformity that doesn't exist.Protestants believe all sorts of contradictory things, yet they all read the same bible.
Doesn't sound like the fullness of truth to me.
I don't doubt there are some....sort of like catholics that don't agree with everything the RCC says. I believe there are a fair number of nuns who strongly disagree with the RCC approach to women being active in the church.Protestants believe all sorts of contradictory things, yet they all read the same bible.
Doesn't sound like the fullness of truth to me.
It is implied. Not everything that is true is in the bible.
Where do you see the Trinity mentioned in the bible?
Where do you see us instructed to pray to Jesus in the bible?
I disagree. All Christian doctrinal matters must be in the Bible — otherwise, they have no solid basis.
Never explicitly in one single verse, but you can put the pieces of the puzzle together and see that it is biblically clear. Matthew 28:19 suggests some sort of relation amongst the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; Romans 1:7 says that the Father is God; 1 John 5:20 says that the Son (Jesus) is God; Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4 says that the Holy Spirit is God; and yet 1 Corinthians 8:4 tells us that there is only one God. Put these five passages together, and — there you go! — you have the Trinity in the Bible.
I do not. I see us instructed to pray to the Father (Matthew 6:9). However, the Bible does not forbid praying to Jesus, and Stephen prayed to Jesus (Acts of the Apostles 7:59).
[…] Elizabeth greets Mary in Luke 1:43
"And who am I that the mother of my Lord should come and visit me?"
Mary is the mother of Jesus is she not?
here would be an analogy, like all analogies it is flawed and incomplete, but it does get a point across
if a King marries a peasant woman and she has a son, that woman is the "mother of the prince" even though he gains none of his "princeliness" from his mother, she is still his mother
So then, do we agree that there are many things that are true about our faith that are not explicitly stated in scripture.
Yes, we agree on that. However, that is beside the point. There is a difference between being ‘biblical’ and being ‘biblically explicit’. Not all doctrines need to be biblically explicit, but they all need to be biblical. The Trinity is not biblically explicit, but it is biblical. However, the Immaculate Conception is not biblical at all.
Right. They don't pretend to have a uniformity that doesn't exist.
Pretense is a core ingredient for catholicism.
There may be. Jesus might have had red hair, for instance. We could call that a "truth." But it's not in Scripture.So then, do we agree that there are many things that are true about our faith that are not explicitly stated in scripture.
I don't doubt there are some....sort of like catholics that don't agree with everything the RCC says.
There may be. Jesus might have had red hair, for instance. We could call that a "truth." But it's not in Scripture.
The point is that a "truth" is not a doctrine. How to bake cookies is also not in the Bible, but who says that the Church has an obligation to make some baking technique an official teaching binding upon all church members?
Yes.Do you believe that doctrine of the Trinity is true?
Yes. I also believe that Scripture, as God's word, contains all that is necessary for salvation and all that the institutional church may require of its members.Do you believe that the books of the New Testament are scriptural?
We are guided by them because they are divine revelation--and even your own church says this--not because of the process by which we came to recognize what they are.Scripture doesn't even tell you which books belong in scripture!!