Immaculate Conception

[Root of Jesse]

Those who bore signs of an apostle, yes

What signs does the Pope have? His fancy robe doesn't count

Are you aware that the pope doesn't own any of his vestments?

The first pope was an apostle, and appointed the successor to Judas (Matthias). Paul, another apostle, appointed bishops everywhere he went. Two, from Scripture, were Timothy and Titus.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Which fits well with the CCC 958 statement on "Communion with the DEAD"

So you are being consistent there.

Now let's talk about the Bible -

19 When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?

Communion with the dead has nothing to do with speaking to the dead or praying to the dead, or consulting or whispering or muttering. Besides "communion with the dead" speaks of their physical bodies, not their immortal souls.

 

[Extraneous]

Are you aware that the pope doesn't own any of his vestments?

Are you aware that the pope doesn't own any of his vestments?

The first pope was an apostle, and appointed the successor to Judas (Matthias). Paul, another apostle, appointed bishops everywhere he went. Two, from Scripture, were Timothy and Titus.

Didnt answer the question brother.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Didnt answer the question brother.

Actually, it did, because it proves that the apostles had successors. The successor of Peter is the Pope. The sign is that the apostles named successors.

 

[Extraneous]

Actually, it did, because it proves that the apostles had successors. The successor of Peter is the Pope. The sign is that the apostles named successors.

It didnt answer the question at all.

 

[Extraneous]

I meditated on the hidden meaning behind the flesh and blood of the Lord. This seemed so strange to me for so long.

I now believe that its just a simple metaphor. Its not complicated at all. Drinking His blood and eating His flesh simply means that we benefit from His death. Is not a mysterious thing really, just a metaphor.

Have you ever heard the expression "having blood on your hands"? Its another metaphor. Had the Lord used that one we would have easily understood it.


Here is what the Lord meant, i believe, in my opinion.

1 Chronicles 11:19 ... “Should I drink the blood of these men who went at the risk of their lives?” Because they risked their lives to bring it back, David would not drink it.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It didnt answer the question at all.

Maybe I don't know what your question is, then. Could you restate it?

 

[Root of Jesse]

I meditated on the hidden meaning behind the flesh and blood of the Lord. This seemed so strange to me for so long.

I now believe that its just a simple metaphor. Its not complicated at all. Drinking His blood and eating His flesh simply means that we benefit from His death. Is not a mysterious thing really, just a metaphor.

Have you ever heard the expression "having blood on your hands"? Its another metaphor. Had the Lord used that one we would have easily understood it.


Here is what the Lord meant, i believe, in my opinion.

1 Chronicles 11:19 ... “Should I drink the blood of these men who went at the risk of their lives?” Because they risked their lives to bring it back, David would not drink it.

One question...if it was simply a metaphor, why did some of his closest friends "go back to their previous lives"? Why would it be such a 'hard saying', if it was just a metaphor?
Everything about Jesus, from his title "Lamb of God" to the town he was born in, to the manger he was born in, suggests food. Certainly spiritual food, but when the Pharisees said that their ancestors ate the manna that came down from heaven, Jesus said that he was the true bread.

 

[Extraneous]

Maybe I don't know what your question is, then. Could you restate it?

It was concerning signs of an apostle.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It was concerning signs of an apostle.

The sign of an apostle, bishop or priest is that he had hands laid on him by one who had authority to do so.

 

[Extraneous]

One question...if it was simply a metaphor, why did some of his closest friends "go back to their previous lives"? Why would it be such a 'hard saying', if it was just a metaphor?
Everything about Jesus, from his title "Lamb of God" to the town he was born in, to the manger he was born in, suggests food. Certainly spiritual food, but when the Pharisees said that their ancestors ate the manna that came down from heaven, Jesus said that he was the true bread.

It was hard for them because it was against the Law to drink blood, if im not mistaken.

 

[Extraneous]

The sign of an apostle, bishop or priest is that he had hands laid on him by one who had authority to do so.

No brother, thats not the signs of an apostle.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It was hard for them because it was against the Law to eat flesh and drink blood, if im not mistaken.

But if it was a metaphor, they would understand. Or Jesus could have corrected their understanding. Which he most certainly did not. In fact, he made it more pointed that they must gnaw his flesh.

 

[Root of Jesse]

No brother, thats not the signs of an apostle.

It's the signs of Christian apostles, for sure. What are the signs, to you?

 

[Rick Otto]

Everything you are talking about is good bible study, but its hardly hidden knowledge that will help me follow Christ better. Do you know what will help me? Putting away debate and instead following the simple doctrine of Christ. That's the power of Christ, not this theological stuff. Thats what i was trying to emphasize.

Im not against learning these things, but its not worth the division we see, or the heresy we put up with. What i was talking about was breaking the chains of religion that divides us. Its a fools errand, i know, but i had to say what i believe.

Have you ever heard the expression "outside the camp" be used in reference to unchurched christians?

 

[Extraneous]

But if it was a metaphor, they would understand. Or Jesus could have corrected their understanding. Which he most certainly did not. In fact, he made it more pointed that they must gnaw his flesh.

Maybe it wasnt time for them to understand.

 

[Extraneous]

Have you ever heard the expression "outside the camp" be used in reference to unchurched christians?

I've heard frogster and others use it frequently, it comes from Hebrews i believe. What your point Rick? Im not following. It sounds interesting though.

 

[Extraneous]

It's the signs of Christian apostles, for sure. What are the signs, to you?

What do you mean? Are you asking what i believe the signs of an apostle are?

 

[Rick Otto]

QUOTE="Root of Jesse, post: But if it was a metaphor, they would understand.

lol

Or Jesus could have corrected their understanding. Which he most certainly did not. In fact, he made it more pointed that they must gnaw his flesh.

Done be disgusting.

You speak like you don't know the scriptures:

[10] And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
[11] He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
[12] For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
[16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

 

[Rick Otto]

I've heard frogster and others use it frequently, it comes from Hebrews i believe. What your point Rick? Im not following. It sounds interesting though.

You mentioned the chains of religion... I just wonder... I picture exactly what that means in terms of soteriology, sacramentology, and ecclesiology... especially in the area of church discipline.

I just wondered if and hoped that, you find Godly company outside religion's "turf" so to speak.