Immaculate Conception

[Thursday]

Does anyone see a pattern here? Sure the apostles we sent just as paul said in Corinthians, but he was referring to the apostles who came before they gave us scripture. If it were not true then explain the pattern i see in these scriptures.

Scripture can be twisted to mean almost anything. That is why hundreds of protestant churches who follow the bible teach contradictory doctrines.

Jesus started a single Church. If you want to understand the bible, you need to listen to his Church.

 

[Extraneous]

Scripture can be twisted to mean almost anything. That is why hundreds of protestant churches who follow the bible teach contradictory doctrines.

Jesus started a single Church. If you want to understand the bible, you need to listen to his Church.

If i were building a rocket i would agree that i need a lot more instruction. This isnt rocket science however brother, and its just not that complicated. If i follow the Church i will only be constantly debating other Churches. Im happy without all that. Its my understanding from reading paul's letters that debate is not spiritual, and will only defile me and many other people. It wont help me or anyone else walk in the spirit. ITs also my understanding that the Holy Spirit will guide me in all things.

I already have a good apostle to teach me the words of the Lord. I have the Apostle Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude. Sure, its true that sometimes the bible can be hard to understand, in some things, and that its good to listen to others understanding about those scriptures. However i wouldn't want to listen to any particular denominations interpretation, or any one man either. Instead i would rather listen to many people. I have done that and i have found that i dont really need to understand everything, and no one understands everything either. Im very happy as i follow the Spirit. My life is hard, but God makes me happy.

I wouldnt trade what i have for any denomination.

 

[Thursday]

If i were building a rocket i would agree that i need a lot more instruction. This isnt rocket science however brother, and its just not that complicated. If i follow the Church i will only be constantly debating other Churches.

Jesus only started one Church.

The question is, which Church is it?

 

[Albion]

If i were building a rocket i would agree that i need a lot more instruction. This isnt rocket science however brother, and its just not that complicated. If i follow the Church i will only be constantly debating other Churches. Im happy without all that. Its my understanding from reading paul's letters that debate is not spiritual, and will only defile me and many other people. It wont help me or anyone else walk in the spirit. ITs also my understanding that the Holy Spirit will guide me in all things.

Well, the Holy Spirit will guide the church (according to scripture) and will guide each of us in understanding the Word of God. We cannot, IOW, completely divorce ourselves from the institutional church, although knowing which ones to avoid is important, too.

 

[Extraneous]

Jesus only started one Church.

The question is, which Church is it?

If you study the words of Paul and the Lord you will find out which Church it is. That's what i did and i found out.


Jesus said whoever hears his words and puts them into practice will be like a wise man who built his house on a Rock. I have done that. (Mathew 7:24)

Paul said that if we follow His teaching that the God of peace will be with us. I have done that also. (Philippians 4:8-9)

Jesus also said that if any man would obey His teaching that the Holy Spirit would come and teach him all things. I have done that as well. (John 14:23-27)



Jesus has the authority brother. His words and the Spirit can and will teach us. That's his promise and you can count on it.

Mathew 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law

 

[Thursday]

If you study the words of Paul and the Lord you will find out which Church it is. That's what i did and i found out.

Tells us.

Is it the Church that teaches this?

John 20
If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

or this?

John 6
53Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

 

[Extraneous]

Well, the Holy Spirit will guide the church (according to scripture)

According to scripture the Holy spirit will guide any man who keeps the words of the Lord

We cant divorce ourselves from the body, no. We need each other so we can love each other. We can learn together as well.

 

[Thursday]

According to scripture the Holy spirit will guide any man who keeps the words of the Lord

Not if he rejects the Church.

Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[Extraneous]

Tells us.

Is it the Church that teaches this?

Jesus teaches those things.

The blood and flesh of Christ is a controversial topic and there are at least two opinions about it. I use to worry about it myself. However I don't need anyone to teach me what it means because I learned from experience what it actually means. Its not wine and bread either.

As far as forgiving anyone's sin goes, Paul said that Christ died once for all sin. Paul teaches the Hebrews to go to the throne of grace. I don't need a priest brother. I can go to the throne of Grace myself. That's what the new covenant is about. I don't need a priest and dont need a teacher. We can enter Gods presence because he is already inside us.

 

[Albion]

According to scripture the Holy spirit will guide any man who keeps the words of the Lord

That's true, but I was just saying that the Holy Spirit isn't working at cross-purposes to either scripture or the church or as a replacement for either.

 

[Extraneous]

Not if he rejects the Church.

Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

So in your opinion anyone who rejects Catholicism rejects the Lords Church. In other words, everyone whos not a Catholic rejects the Church. Thats just plain false brother. Just not true.

 

[Albion]

The blood and flesh of Christ is a controversial topic and there are at least two opinions about it. I use to worry about it myself. However I don't need anyone to teach me what it means because I learned from experience what it actually means. Its not wine and bread either.

You pretty much need the institutional church in order to celebrate the Lord's Supper, though, no matter which interpretation of "This is my Body" you consider correct.

 

[Extraneous]

That's true, but I was just saying that the Holy Spirit isn't working at cross-purposes to either scripture or the church or as a replacement for either.

Scripture is needed because the Lord sent the Apostles to give us the commands of the Lord and the Gospel message.. Those commands are found in scripture.

 

[Thursday]

Not exactly. A person can be in partial communion with the Church. A person who has been baptized using the Trinitarian formula is a member of the Church, but not necessarily in full communion.

Jesus started a single Church, gave that Church his authority to teach and to forgive sins, and that Church still exists.

Why wouldn't you want all that it offers?

 

[Extraneous]

You pretty much need the institutional church in order to celebrate the Lord's Supper, though, no matter which interpretation of "This is my Body" you consider correct.

I don't believe the Lords supper is necessary. If i went to Church i would surely enjoy it and perhaps be blessed by it, but i don't believe its necessary for my salvation or my spiritual health.

 

[Thursday]

I don't believe the Lords supper is necessary. If i went to Church i would surely enjoy it and perhaps be blessed by it, but i don't believe its necessary for my salvation or my spiritual health.

John 6
53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

 

[Albion]

I don't believe the Lords supper is necessary.

I'm sorry to read this, considering that Christ said "Do this" and the church has done so since the very beginning. Regardless of all else--denominations, correct or errant preaching, etc.--this is a function/sacrament/ordinance that appears to be valid, beneficial, commanded, and impossible apart from the organized church.

 

[Extraneous]

Not if he rejects the Church.

Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

This scripture is about using the Church to judge disputes between people.

This is not a command to go to Church. Its a command to settle disputes in an orderly and spiritual manner. It reminds me of pauls teaching about not taking our disputes to a civil court of law but instead taking it to the Church. THis is most likely what Christ was saying as well.

 

[Extraneous]

John 6
53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

That's not referring to bread and wine

 

[Thursday]

This scripture is about using the Church to judge disputes between people.

This is not a command to go to Church. Its a command to settle disputes in an orderly and spiritual manner. It reminds me of pauls teaching about not taking our disputes to a civil court of law but instead taking it to the Church. THis is most likely what Christ was saying as well.

The scripture makes it clear that there is a single Church and that the Church has authority.

We also see this in Acts 15, when Paul and other Christians had a dispute regarding requirements for gentile converts. They didn't make a decision there, rather they consulted the Church leaders for a resolution.