I'm teaching creationism in class! :)

[Athrond]

Sounds like someone needs a qualified teacher.

[bible]1 Timothy 3:6[/bible]



Interesting --- the students instructing the teacher. What a novel concept.

This folks, is the number one reason I do not trust our public education system to teach Creationism --- unqualified teachers that can't defend their stance - (let alone teach it).

also it would help if creationism actually had any positive evidence supporting it, eh? Not just being critical to evolution.

 

[Split Rock]

But how many can actually defend it well? In this forum alone, I see creationists stray all over the spectrum. They need to learn to use Genesis 1 like it was written --- sharper than a two-edged sword. And that takes practice.

As my pastor (?) pointed out, you put a sharp two-edged sword in someone's hand who doesn't know how to use it, and someone's gonna get hurt.

I thought is was obvious how to read genesis literally (just like a phone book, as I recall)? Of course that's only when understanding the Bible (literally) takes "practice", right? You are just as "all over the place" as the other creationists who post here. Or maybe you're the only creationsit here who truly has the gifted insight of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Athrond]

snip, snip

Welcome back, Kotter.

I had to look that one up I'm from "notamerica" you know.

my comment is to the fact that the students were smart enugh to realize that ID and such is bull****.

Anyway, what do you propose to teach when teaching people creationism. Walking into biology class and say "goddidit"?

 

[AV1611VET]

also it would help if creationism actually had any positive evidence supporting it, eh? Not just being critical to evolution.

No it wouldn't help. Anything leaving an audit trail would, by definition, be a natural process. We're talking ex nihilo divine creation. here; something that should leave no audit trail.

 

[Athrond]

No it wouldn't help. Anything leaving an audit trail would, by definition, be a natural process. We're talking ex nihilo divine creation. here; something that should leave no audit trail.

no point in teaching it then. Maybe creationist could campaign for the right to read out the statement "Goddidit" in kindergarten and then leave science education to the science teachers forever after, as they have nothing new to bring to the table anyway.

Se you tomorrow. Godnight

 

[AV1611VET]

no point in teaching it then. Maybe creationist could campaign for the right to read out the statement "Goddidit" in kindergarten and then leave science education to the science teachers forever after, as they have nothing new to bring to the table anyway.

Now we're getting somewhere.

[bible]2 Timothy 3:15[/bible]

 

[Gremlins]

No it wouldn't help. Anything leaving an audit trail would, by definition, be a natural process. We're talking ex nihilo divine creation. here; something that should leave no audit trail.

So, you don't need proof, you just need blind faith.

Cue Flying Spaghetti Monster analogy.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, you don't need proof, you just need blind faith.

Blind faith?

[bible]Acts 17:23[/bible]
[bible]2 Timothy 1:12[/bible]
[bible]Hebrews 11:3[/bible]

 

[Split Rock]

Blind faith?

[bible]Acts 17:23[/bible]
[bible]2 Timothy 1:12[/bible]
[bible]Hebrews 11:3[/bible]

Once again, AVET shows us that the Bible proves that the Bible is God's Word.

 

[consol]

This might interest you AV, you can buy a book like a thesaurus,
only instead it lists the subjects and then gives you a dozen or so bible verses to cover the subject,
it allows you to appear as if you know your bible even if you don't,
I suggest you get it, then the verses you use might have something to do with the subject under discussion.

 

[GrayCat]

Ahahahaha I'm laughing at the last few posts. :-D

 

[peter22]

AV1611VET:

Sounds like someone needs a qualified teacher.

What do you mean by qualified specifically? My boss, the school, the state education department, hell even my students would disagree with you and may I presumptuous enough to suggest that they're in a better position to judge than you are?

Interesting --- the students instructing the teacher. What a novel concept.

(Are you being sarcastic? My god, I hope you are. If you are, I formally withdraw this rant

I'm not saying this to brag rather to illustrate that on average, my students are fairly well rounded educationally, possessing reasonable intellect and common sense and have had some basic training in logic and philosophy. (resisting the urge to say "more than I can say for some") I'm also not arrogant enough to assume (as you do) that I know more than these kids about everything. Perhaps *shock* that smartass teenager has an IQ of 150 and really IS smarter than I am.

Even if this were not the case, education has moved on since you were homeschooled. You see, we think that dictating facts and figures to be regurgitated in an exam may not be the best possible way to assess learning. And I cannot emphasise this enough:

ESPECIALLY IN A BLOODY PHILOSPHY CLASS!

This folks, is the number one reason I do not trust our public education system to teach Creationism --- unqualified teachers that can't defend their stance - (let alone teach it).

Bizarrely I agree with you. I don't trust the education system to teach creationism either, because it's a) not a subject, b) wrong and c) unfit material for anything but an interesting intellectual exercise in a philosophy class. I am unqualified to teach creationism, I agree, but only in the same way I'm unqualified to teach frizbee football- it's not a subject!

I don't expect anyone is actually ignorant enough to believe in creationism. I just assume people like you are having us all on.

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

I don't expect anyone is actually ignorant enough to believe in creationism. I just assume people like you are having us all on.

There are many truly ignorant, education is all that is necessary in those cases. The refractory cases are more likely delusional than ignorant.

 

[consol]

I don't expect anyone is actually ignorant enough to believe in creationism. I just assume people like you are having us all on.

If only that was true, US prospects would not look so bleak.

 

[Athrond]

This might interest you AV, you can buy a book like a thesaurus,
only instead it lists the subjects and then gives you a dozen or so bible verses to cover the subject,
it allows you to appear as if you know your bible even if you don't,
I suggest you get it, then the verses you use might have something to do with the subject under discussion.

I must admit i don't get it either. care to elaborate AV?

 

[shinbits]

Good to know that part of the world is sane

Over on this side of the pond, we still have some catching up to do.

really? where is creationism/ID accepted over here?

 

[AV1611VET]

This might interest you AV, you can buy a book like a thesaurus,
only instead it lists the subjects and then gives you a dozen or so bible verses to cover the subject,
it allows you to appear as if you know your bible even if you don't,
I suggest you get it, then the verses you use might have something to do with the subject under discussion.

I must admit i don't get it either. care to elaborate AV?

For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Do these verses sound like they are talking about blind faith to you?

 

[Athrond]

Do these verses sound like they are talking about blind faith to you?

well It does to me

What you believe privately isn't convincing to me unless you show me why it is convincing. Or something like that

 

[peter22]

Do these verses sound like they are talking about blind faith to you?

Er...yes.

 

[keith99]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

For your year 12 class try the next step. Give them an assignment to defend Creationism. Though I guess it becomes a bit of a problem as the best defense depends on slippery arguments.