I'm in trouble, here's my story....

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Sep 8, 2003

Grommit said:
I think this is anothe classic example of people missing the point. Yeah, he doesn't know whats around the corner. And yeah, it could be better and it could also be much worse, but, from his personal experience why should he have any reason to believe it's going to get better? think about it. let down after let down after let down and God isn't in his life the way he wants him to be and the way he needs him to be so why should he have ANY reason to believe that there is hope?

You have to remember that suicidal people are suicidal because they are HOPELESS!!! It's like painting a nice picture for a blind person. The thought was sweet but in the end it doesn't do any good but further frustrate him because your asking him to have hope in a life that he's already been forced to give up.

I'm with you on this one, Doofus125!

Yes, but this mentality is what is causing the depression. By making these statements, you're encouraging him against hope.

The key to escaping depression is in thinking the right thoughts deliberately.

ceres · Sep 8, 2003

I think everyone has a thorn. This is not the end. There is will hope on the other side and you can become free of this.

Grommit · Sep 8, 2003

nevermind...

Grommit · Sep 8, 2003

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TheOriginalWhitehorse · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit said:
Again, Talk is cheap, we need to see some action.

Precisely!! Well said. Now here's where we have to sort out depression's lies from the truth: action from where?

Techbot · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit said:
Yes but to me that hope on the 'other side' sounds awfully alot like death and can you think of the quickest way to get there??? See, now you're getting the hang of how i think...

So you actually believe this guy should kill himself? That's what your posts are beginning to sound like!

Grommit · Sep 9, 2003

nevermind...

Grommit · Sep 9, 2003

nevermind...

Techbot · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit said:
maybe it will help to know that I myself am suicidal. I really cannot see another way out. I've tried 'hanging in there' and praying, living clean and what not but it doesn't help. I can't get rid of it no matter how much I want it gone. I want god to take it from me but he doesn't so yeah, I'm feeling spent and I'm %100 convinced it is hopeless and futile for me to fight it anymore or try to make thigns better because I cannot ever get out of rut so yeah, death is looking good to me right about now.

Are you involved in a church?

Grommit · Sep 9, 2003

nevermind...

doofus125 · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit, there has to be another option that both of us are not seeing.....let's try to hang in for a little while longer.....There is 1 reason that I have to keep going and it's 600 miles away and that's indefine as to when he comes back.......

Techbot · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit said:
I was but then I had a fall out with a girl and it was very painful for me and very upsetting for the both of us and now I am not going to that church anymore. But now that I think about it, I don't think I was getting fed there because we never had any formal bible study. just people talking about what they felt like talking about. Maybe this is a good thing because maybe I will go to another church and move on for the better???

But then again, I don't really feel motivated to go to another church anymore... especially after my last experiences with various churches... just pain, no gain.

I got an email from another paster who wants to meet with me. If it goes well I may attend there. I haven't been to church for a while now. maybe I should put some serious thought into going back.

The worst thing ANY believer can do is fall out of fellowship. Believe me...I haven't attended regularly now for about 3yrs. I'm starting back and the hunger for Gods word is coming back into me. I thought I was OK all these past years, I still had my beliefs and so forth, but there is NO substitution for being together with other believers. I'd HIGHLY recommend you find a church home. The sooner the better. Get involved in the youth group there, make some friends and attend some of the activities.

doofus125 · Sep 9, 2003

I'm feeling a little better, but not very much....the prayers are appreciated from everyone.....today was an ok day, but once in a while I do have an ok day....maybe tomorrow will be the same or better....

DJ B.K. · Sep 9, 2003

I agree that both you guys should try joining a youth group. You both seem to mainly need friendship and a youth group is one of the best ways to find one. I t might me hard but you have to try. If you don't try you're not doing anything to help yourself. God wants you to feel better but you have to do your part. He doesn't just lift depression of your shoulders.

doofus125 · Sep 9, 2003

P.O.D. Cincy Warrior said:
I agree that both you guys should try joining a youth group. You both seem to mainly need friendship and a youth group is one of the best ways to find one. I t might me hard but you have to try. If you don't try you're not doing anything to help yourself. God wants you to feel better but you have to do your part. He doesn't just lift depression of your shoulders.

Well, I'm 24 so youth group won't work to well...but there is a young adult group for 18-30 yr olds at the church I was going to, but no one ever talked to me and when I'd start talking to someone they would just turn and start talking to someone else....I really don't want anything to do with other people, if I can find 1 or 2 close friends to hang out with that would be great, but I don't ever see that happening....

DJ B.K. · Sep 9, 2003

doofus125 said:
Well, I'm 24 so youth group won't work to well...but there is a young adult group for 18-30 yr olds at the church I was going to, but no one ever talked to me and when I'd start talking to someone they would just turn and start talking to someone else....I really don't want anything to do with other people, if I can find 1 or 2 close friends to hang out with that would be great, but I don't ever see that happening....

Guess I should've checked your age first!

One thing I don't understand is that you say that you don't want anything to do with people but you told me when I im'd you that you need a personal friend to talk to about your problems and such. I think your main problem is that you're afraid of being let down. You're afraid that people won't want to hear your problems or that you'll find someone you like only to be let down later. You've got to realize if you want friendship you've got to make the effort yourself, people are going to come to you. There are people out there that want to help you and be friends with you as you can see by this thread. You don't achieve anything without effort.

doofus125 · Sep 9, 2003

ok, so now I'm sitting here in the dark and the day that went ok is not in sight because I'm back down in the bottom of the barrel....I'm tired of this constant cycle.....I just want it all to end.....

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Sep 9, 2003

doofus125 said:
ok, so now I'm sitting here in the dark and the day that went ok is not in sight because I'm back down in the bottom of the barrel....I'm tired of this constant cycle.....I just want it all to end.....

One very common but devastating misconception is that happieness depends on outside circumstances. If you put your hope for living in someone else, or a certain set of circumstances, there is no stability in that whatsoever. It has to come from you. The question is, what are you willing to do to make things better? Pick something small and add it to your life. Next week add something else. without letting go of the first thing.

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Sep 9, 2003

Grommit said:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'action from where?'. Could you explain? Thanks man.

You're right-it's time for action. But where must the action come from? Depression makes you feel like you can't do anything, so it's normal to expect God has to take it from you. But in fact, He's sending you on a journey of self discovery. Very fun, once you know where you're headed! And He sends all kinds of gifts along the way. Fellowship, strength, love for yourself, healing, and the understanding that His sense of justice means He wants you to be kind and loving to yourself, too.

Grommit · Sep 10, 2003

nevermind...

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