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ByGrace said:Oops! Wrigley you are right. Sorry about that. It is the Restored gospel. And we should all be thankful for that. LOL!
jsfrk2 said:rnmomof7, you are very well educated in religion and I agree with everything you have said.
I know alot about Mormonism because I am an EXMO, lol. And you hit the nail on the head along with wrigley, GBU all,your brother in Christ Jesus,jsrfk2
ByGrace said:jsfrk2- Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say this as I want to shout it from the roof tops--YES, I AM BORN AGAIN, PRAISE GOD FOR SAVING ME FROM DESTRUCTION!! Man what an awesome Creator we serve. I once was perishing in the mormon religion trying as hard as I could to earn Heaven the one day Jesus stepped in and told me to move aside cause I was interfering with his work in my life. Once I accepted that I was helpless, God almighty lifted me up and made me free! I love you Jesus! I agree, pray for those perishing in mormonism. God wants them but the devil used joe smith to lead them astray.
jsfrk2 said:how might I quote someone correctly?
I don't know how to use the quote feature
ByGrace said:Isnt it a shame that so many people have followed the lies of joe smith and will end up perishing? Seems that the mormons on here should stop spending so much time debating this and get to the moon to preach the reformed gospel to them. Well you also need to start arranging quite a few marriages. You know, even though I am ex mo it still behooves me that mormons can just not seem to want to open the eyes. I guess that was prophesied though.
ByGrace said:Seems that the mormons on here should stop spending so much time debating this
ByGrace said:and get to the moon to preach the reformed gospel to them. Well you also need to start arranging quite a few marriages.
ByGrace said:Seems that the mormons on here should stop spending so much time debating this and get to the moon to preach the reformed gospel to them. Well you also need to start arranging quite a few marriages.
ByGrace said:Simply me- First I would like to say that in fact the moon men doctrine was taught and the early church members were even given prophecies of preaching to them in their patriarchal blessings. The lds church has tried hard to cover this up and has created lies to do so. The facts are that it is documented in the book "mormon doctrine" in the first edition. The lds tops have changed that book over the years and released a second edition. Thank God that some copies of the original are still around.
This is the same as how they treated the adam-god doctrine taught by brigham young. They claim that it was taken out of context and mis-quoted but it is a fact that he continued to reemphasize the truth of this teaching for 21 years after he initially gave it up until his death. During this time he did not correct even one publication including the deseret news when it covered it. This was his right as he was the head of Utah at the time.
Alma said:Good grief. I come across some pretty astounding comments on these bulletin boards, but yours deserve an award. The moon men doctrine? Dont make me laugh. Now, I can laugh at the idea that this is documented in the book Mormon Doctrine in any of its editions. I have the first edition. Ordinarily, I would ask someone like you to give me the page number where this is allegedly found. However, I will just cut to the chase in point out that you are sadly misinformed on several counts. In the first place, the LDS tops have never published that particular book so it would be unlikely for them to have ever changed it. The book was published by Bookcraft, and written by Bruce R. McConkie, and in each edition he included this phrase in its introduction: For the work itself, I assume sole and full responsibility. Perhaps you could provide one of these lies the LDS church has created to cover this up?
You might want to consider the idea that Brigham Young was more intelligent than you give him credit. He understood how LDS Church doctrine is established; and if he wanted to establish something, he added it to the canon of scripture. He added many things during his administration, but he added nothing regarding the so-called Adam-God theory. Why do you insist that this was a doctrine when neither he nor any of his successors followed the procedure to make it a doctrine?
Alma
ByGrace said:Simply me- First I would like to say that in fact the moon men doctrine was taught....
ByGrace said:I want to address others as how Jesus would have me do so but have been letting my human fleshly prejudices take over. Thank you for pointing this out to me. God bless you for your honesty. I will, with the Grace of God do better in the future. To anyone else I may have offended I ask that you please forgive me.
SimplyMe said:I have no interest in debating their theology, I'll let any Mormons that would like to do that. Or, any interested people can use the numerous websites about the Mormon faith. I just find in my experience from when I've listened to the debates, it seemed to me that the disagreements weren't as great as either side thought; to me it seemed more an arguement about semantics.
I want to thank you for your kind words. I was afraid that maybe I had been too forceful, I did not wish to offend; I'm happy that what I felt seemed to come through. In the turbulent world that we live in, it's my simple wish that we can all love our neighbor as Jesus taught we should.
rnmomof7 said:"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain," (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 217).
"In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1937, I was told that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants of the sea -- to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes," (Vol. 3, pp. 263-264)
I know this is not doctrine but it remains a source of speculation within some in the LDS church
MizDoulos said:Note to everyone: While we all have our own thoughts about other religions, let's please not make comments that may instill bad feelings or disharmony. If opinions cannot be expressed in a respectful manner, you can always "agree to disagree" and move on.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Alma said:I think this quote illustrates my point very well. Bygrace claimed that the idea of moonmen was an early LDS doctrine and he falsely cited the book Mormon Doctrine as support. You apparently come to his defense with this quote from Brigham Young, which doesnt really say what youre hoping to demonstrate. At the time, there was rampant speculation in America and England that the moon was inhabited. Many people believed that it was. Does the fact that a prophet could have a mistaken belief prove that he was not a prophet?
Volume 3 of what? Ill save you the trouble. That comes from the recollection of a man named Oliver B. Huntington, recorded more than fifty years after the fact. Fortunately, the LDS Church has kept copies of these blessings, and a little research demonstrates that Huntingtons memory was faulty. His Patriarchal blessing didnt come from Joseph Smith Sr., it came from Huntingtons father, William. Do you think that Mormon doctrine is established by the blessings of individual patriarchs? I can assure you that it is not. Patriarchs have the same freedom to believe in error as anyone else. BTW, the actual quote from Huntingtons blessing given by his father is: Thou shalt have power with God even to translate thyself to Heaven, & preach to the inhabitants of the moon or planets, if it shall be expedient.
Oh really? Can you give me a name of any active Mormon who really believes that the moon is inhabited? I dont expect you to provide such information because that is the nature of this medium. People make incredibly outrageous statements and when challenged to document the statement all I get is smoke and mirrors. For example, consider Wrigleys claim that he gets a kick out of going to the FARMS site from time to time. It seems they have an 'a-ha' moment everytime some new artifact is found. Only to have it not be what they want it to be.
When I asked for some substance to that claim, I got this:
Well, since it came from an article I read over a year ago, it'll take some work to find the actual article. But the jist of it was how the folks at farms jumped to a conclusion about an arrowhead to prove something from the bom, only to have the arrowhead not to be what farms wanted, and needed, it to be. (Wrigley 8/16/03)
Rather than a specific reference, Im given the gist of an alleged article that appeared somewhere about a year ago. Not only that, it dealt with an arrowhead! Later comments by Wrigley indicate that FARMS was looking for steel arrowheads; but how that could be important to FARMS or related to the Book of Mormon isnt specified. Since steel arrowheads arent mentioned in the Book of Mormon, why would FARMS people be interested in finding them? None of this is explained - - but apparently, the mere reference that FARMS has been thwarted by some imaginary article is enough to once again demonstrate how deluded Mormons are. The irony of this is especially rich because these are the same people who demand proof for the Book of Mormon, yet accept these vacuous claims as if gospel.
Alma
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