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i dont....everyone asks for a sign from Heaven. "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son." this was prophesied by Isaiah 700 years before the birth of Christ. many other prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus while He was here on earth. "God is not a man that He should lie."
NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it.
The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will.
2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer
well actually this site just came up on google and i figured ill give it a shot.
and i cant accept that god just is, if it goes against some lame rule than too bad. Sometimes i get heated when the religion section comes up, I highly highly dought i will ever become a christian...again.
I wont happen, I have found conselation somewhere else, Buddhism, Buddha's out look on life and death is right on the spot with me, i see that there is a religion for me. Buhhda was acked about a sort of god figure, he told people to make up their own mind about that subject, he let people believe and not believe what they wanted he told people that what he said may not be true and not to take everything he says as fact and truth. This seems like something i like.
The Christian world has the bible shoved down their throat, they are told what to do. God seems kinda like a dictator to me, say that we have to do or can not do certain thing without questioning him, this is basically the definition of a tyrant. I'm sorry if I offended any body but I will not cover up what I feel to anyone.
jesus isn't living, hes dead, hes a 2000 year old preacher who was killed, thats that,
and you talk about Buddhism as if it would destroy me, hmmm, how many war have been started by Buddhist...hmm,
Theirs this one war im thinking of...oh yes it was called the crusades, or the 100years war,
but wait that had nothing to do with Buddhist's silly me, that was the christians killing Muslims, oops. But wait they didn't only kills Islamic people, sometimes on the way to the middle east they would meet up with Jews, and you know what they would do, they would gather them all in the temple of their town that they established, then they would burn it to the ground with them inside.
Well if manner of the people are any measure of the religion then Buddhism seems the better choice.
almost No one can prove to me that god exist,
you say that Buddha was not the son of god, how do you know jesus was. You think you are right, why? Because a ancient book told you so. Well the Muslims have a ancient book the tells them things,
so your logic seems to fit with other religions, you can not tell me that you know you are right without other religions with the same sort of "truth" as you being right.
So you see Buddhism as dark, and Christianity Light. Well as I said above I think not.
Siddartha's look apon death has some what aleaved me, he was wise, and he was truthful. He was real, jesus pretended to be some one the he was not, can I prove it no, but I could go kill somebody and I could say that Zeus came down from the sky and struck the man down.
If there were no witnesses or anything of the sort you could not prove me wrong, there no evidence against it, just like god, you can't prove soemthings not there, can you.
listen all your talk is just that, its pointless, you say he has risen because, like I said before, a really old book told you, take the bible as the king arthur story, people thought that arthur was real man but made him into more than he realy was, this is like jesus, they made a crazed preacher look like a god. and im not afraid of death, maybe you should read before you talk. the thing that I fear is nothingness after death. But, i think recently i have come to terms with that through something else. If a persons logic is any measure a person then you aren't to bright are you. And christians were a part of the crusades are you completely seniale, christian always say that that other religions are wrong, they took it a step further and killed the ones they hated most, the pope is the one who called the crusades, maybe you should read, it helps. An another thing it doesn't matter what a rotten book says what a christian is, the people make it what it is. And personally I am disgusted with the christian society. How many problems do have from atheists hmm
Firstly, hiya, and welcome to CFlisten all your talk is just that, its pointless,
Hmm... that's not the only "proof" around, dude. For instance, did you know, Jesus appeared - in the flesh - to a really really remote village in China and spent time with them, and taught them the Bible? Years later, some missionaries turned up expecting a really hostile, confused reception, and instead, they discovered a village of people who had never seen a white person, didn't speak a word of English, has no Bibles in the village, had never once travelled beyond their village limits, and yet they all knoew the Bible and all knew Jesus. Their individual accounts completely tallied.you say he has risen because, like I said before, a really old book told you,
I'm not sure the comparison is wholly valid, because King Arthur *is* fictitious... even the most militant of atheists can't deny Jesus existed. Even Richard Dawkins acknowledges - however grudginglytake the bible as the king arthur story, people thought that arthur was real man but made him into more than he realy was, this is like jesus, they made a crazed preacher look like a god.
Things is, if you know the basics of physics, you know there can't be anything without its equal. Every action has a reaction. On that basis, do you truly believe we have 70 years or so of life and then just, nothing? It wouldn't make sense, scientifically. This life is just a tiny part. After this comes the rest of eternity, and we will all spend it either in Heaven, or in Hell. I know it's not a comfortable idea, but it's true. It really is. And God loves all of us enough to allow us to choose which we want.and im not afraid of death, maybe you should read before you talk. the thing that I fear is nothingness after death.
Sugar, people are here talking to you because you asked a question. You don't have to like the answers, but people are answering because they care, so while you don't have to like us, you do have to be courteous.But, i think recently i have come to terms with that through something else. If a persons logic is any measure a person then you aren't to bright are you.
I get what you're saying... but put it this way. I could kick a puppy, then claim I did it because I'm a Buddhist. Would it make me a Buddhist? You have to understand that no-one who loves, or understands Jesus, or has accepted Him into their lives, could ever do something so appalling. They called themselves Christians, but they weren't. Same as I'm not a Buddhist just because I call myself one.And christians were a part of the crusades are you completely seniale,
No Christian hates. I'll tell you what Christianity is: it's having your child murdered, and somehow forgiving the murderer, because Jesus forgave you first. It's blessing and praying for the people that harm you. That's what Jesus taught and, more importantly, what He did. Do we all succeed? No. If only. But people who truly love Him become more like Him slowly, because He changes you. I don't even know how He does it, because you don't feel it happening. It's just one day you suddenly realise He's freed you of something, or given you something, and it's amazing. But we're all sinners. Every single one of us.christian always say that that other religions are wrong, they took it a step further and killed the ones they hated most, the pope is the one who called the crusades, maybe you should read, it helps.
It's interesting. A lot of atheists say that. There's another thread here that discusses that at length. I'll go find the link and edit it in...An another thing it doesn't matter what a rotten book says what a christian is, the people make it what it is. And personally I am disgusted with the christian society. How many problems do have from atheists hmm
GreenMunchkin said:Take Hitler, for example. There he was, reading Nietzsche's books - which stated God didn't exist. In fact, he was the first to say "God is dead". Hitler drank it all in and introduced Mussolini to his writings.
GreenMunchkin said:So Nietzsche's saying God is dead, in which case there's no reason to behave as if He does. You may as well do what you want because there's no moral arbiter, anymore. This is a quote of Hitler's: "I freed Germany from the stupid and degrading fallacies of conscience and morality... "
His belief that there was no God allowed him to believe morality was now moot, and that's what gave him "permission" in his eyes to do what he did.
His belief that God was dead meant he felt he was free to commit whatever atrocities he wanted. His racism was a seed; his fundamental militant atheism is what allowed him to do it and gave him the impetus to do it.
And the point is, no, he didn't do it in the name of some atheist god, but the issue is whether the world would be any better were atheism the main value system, and this shows that atheism does not equal a better society.
I'm interested. Links or directions?Firstly, hiya, and welcome to CF
Why do you think it's pointless?
Hmm... that's not the only "proof" around, dude. For instance, did you know, Jesus appeared - in the flesh - to a really really remote village in China and spent time with them, and taught them the Bible? Years later, some missionaries turned up expecting a really hostile, confused reception, and instead, they discovered a village of people who had never seen a white person, didn't speak a word of English, has no Bibles in the village, had never once travelled beyond their village limits, and yet they all knoew the Bible and all knew Jesus. Their individual accounts completely tallied.
It wasn't some man claiming to be Jesus, because this place was truly remote. Impossible to reach on your own, and He just *appeared* to them all simultaneously.
Jesus has also appeared to people of other religions. India's most famous Christian went through a dramatic conversion to Christianity after Jesus appeared to him. The guy had no reason to lie. He became hated in his country after, but Jesus went to him and spoke to him and the guy just couldn't deny Jesus was the Truth, anymore.
I can't remember where I read about them, but my friend and I discussed it at the time so if I can't find any links, I'll ask her tomorrow and post the book titles. Will have a look right now and hopefully be back in a bit. But if not, tomorrow.I'm interested. Links or directions?
that's a start, but, do you also come to realize that it is equally silly to make the claim "it just did, because I believe it just did with out a god" as to make the claim "a god made the universe".. both, are simply matters of faith.
In your case, if you say "Well, a god could have done it, or maybe it could have just poofed into being, I do not know" then you are being truthful to yourself. But to write off one as ridiculous, is a matter of faith, blind as it may be.
But as it stands, you have faith, in the sense that you believe with out any supporting evidence that it will some day be figured out, and that it will provide proof that god does not exist. That is blind, powerful faith. You believe this, and you cling to it. And you have nothing, nothing at all, to support it.
It is a belief that there is no God, as such, you take it on blind faith, with out one iota of evidence one direction or the other, that your stand "there is no god" is correct. IE: a Belief. A Belief based on blind faith of ones "feelings", none the less.
Why is that? Why does physical matter not need an originator, but, a spiritual being, would need an originator?
You really can't grasp that what I think and believe is all based on natural evidence....everything.
Really.. well this could be fun after all.....
Shall we play a game then?
Just a fun game of.. Logic and Evidence.
And see, who, is willing to grasp straws, and who is looking at the "Natural evidence"...
Do you feel up to the game?
God Bless
Key
Hm, "No debating!" and yet ... a debate.NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it. The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will. 2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer
Sure, I'm willing to "play". So long as you understand that I don't believe anything to be 100% true (since that would be impossible), I only believe certain things with more certainty than others. Like it's far more certain that I am typing right now than I am sleeping in my bed right now.
No, one can be more silly than the other if one is based on our observances and one is just based on faith alone.
If think it's more probbaly that the world evolved because I see evolution on a smaller scale, therefore don't find it hard to imagine it happening on a much larger scale given millions of years.
I see human ideas evolve (like our ideas of slavery have evolved to the point where it doesn't make moral sense to enslave people), so I believe a much larger picture of evolution is entirely possible.
I do not, however, see anything whatsoever in my life that suggests that walking on water or turning water into wine is possible in the least.
So, yes, I believe one is more silly than the other. But, I don't hold one as true over the other......allow me to repeat: I DO NOT BELIEVE ONE TO BE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OVER THE OTHER....but if I were to ask which made more sense, I would say evolution rather than creation, based on what I know of the world I live in.
Just becsause I don't know the answer to how we got here doesn't mean one answer can't be more ridiculous. Surely you'd find it more ridiculous if I believed that Santa Claus was the one true creator of the universe, than if I said it was the christian god that created us.
No, I do not have blind faith that we will one day find out the answer to how we got here. That faith is conditional because it is based on the fact that we have found things out about our world that we didn't know before and we continue to make discoveries. It makes sense to me that as we continue to find out more, that we will ultimately find out more about our origins. How is that unreasonable to think? But no, I don't cling to any belief blindly. I have solid natural reasons for what I believe. I don't believe anything blindly just because someone told me or because I read it in a book.
You seem to try your darndest to get me and others to think that my belief is just as blind as yours, but it isn't.
Try again....my belief is not that there is no god, but that I do not believe in a god....there's a difference. The first is stating a belief....the second is simply a rejection of someone else's belief. Once again, I do not rule out that god exists because that is impossible to know at this point and time, but this christian concept of what god is and how we came to be doesn't make sense to me, so I reject it. There is no faith involved. I do not have blind faith that there is no god.
This is yet another time where you misconstrue what atheism is. There are some atheists who actually believe that there is no god as the truth, but I do not. Theirs is a belief. They believe there is no god.
I do not believe anything to be the abslute truth!
I could ask you the question in reverse and you wouldn't be able to answer it because you know nothing about the origin of spirits. How do you know for a fact that spirits don't have a creator?
God exists forever as a spiritual being but the universe can't exist forever as physical matter.....and you know this for an absolute fact?
We could find out tomorrow that what we know to be the universe was just a part of the process that has lasted for eternity.
Just because people claim to know the age of this universe doesn't mean something else couldn't have existed before that. Just like you know that I, Zocrates, have existed for 24 years, but before me, there was still a world outside of me that existed. How do you know that our universe isn't some 13 billion year old person that was birthed by some older universe? You don't, and I'm only speculating and I'm not completely serious with any of this. My only point is that we don't know right now, and I for one am not going to sit down and act like I know the truth when it's not possible to know it. Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with understanding that the answers are not here right now.
Same here.just some encouragement for the OP.
I am an atheist too, i am spending my time concentrating on the "beforedeath" rather than the "afterlife"
Regards.
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