I'm afraid...

They are not necessarily coming from you really. They are either supernatual evil forces or they are a product of an illness. In either case, I really believe your true heart is to want to be accepted by God and He says you are. So now your part is to forget the thoughts that argue and disagree. These thoughts do not rob you or disqualify you from the salvation that God offers. gg

I feel confident after what you have shared here with us on CF that Even if you never get over the thoughts CATY you are saved and accepted by the Lord God. However it is my prayer that you will experience freedom from the oppression you are presently subject to. Peace gg

My fear is that I wasn never saved and that I can't be now (because i commited the uf-sin). & that maybe my repentance isnt ture & that God doesn't love me. But I want to be repentant (if im not) & I want Him to love me & if for soem reason I really do want these thought, I do not want to -want them. Im just tyring to comprehend why God would let a person got hrought his who could never be saved, or what ive done so bad to get this type of punishment.

gratefulgrace said:

These thoughts do not rob you or disqualify you from the salvation that God offers. gg

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no matter what?? I feel to bad to even come to Him now.

Again these are just feelings and do not reflect the true spiritual reality. I am sorry you are suffering so badly I know many others who suffer with physical infirmity and disease that I do not have to face. We all have our own path to walk. But God does promise us a way out of the troubles that come our way and He promised to be with us in all our trials. God's word can be a comfort and healing to your soul. Pray and ask The Holy Spirit to direct you to something helpful and comforting for you. The gospel of John is a great place to start and some of the Psalms.

God please give Caty a break in the battle and let your peace fall upon her now. Amen gg

Phl 4:6Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

Phl 4:7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

My problem is forgiveness though, I mean I want peace but I want forgiveness too. I don't know what I want anymore, I don't know what I feel or what I believe. Im so confused. I feel so lost.

Yes I see that Caty. I am praying and God has not given up on you. What do you need forgiveness from do you think. the thoughts?. They seem to be out of your control due to the illness of OCD. If you want forgiveness God gives it the peace may take time as it seems to be a process although I do not discount that you could have a miracle and receive complete peace in an instant. In my case of struggles the peace usually comes in time as i work things out with God and my understanding of the situation and God's role in my healing. gg

Remember salvation is a gift we do not earn it by our good thoughts or what we do apart from admitting we need God to provide it for us. gg

I know I need Jesus for salvation. & I know it is a gift but when do we know the point that God will no longer give it? I mena how do I know that God hasnt given up on me. Because if He ahs I dont understand why Im putting myself through this torture. Im only getting worse & Ive been like this for months with people praying for me and stuff so, how do I know that He still wants me or even loves me?

I dont care about the peace right now, if I coudl just know that Im forgiven I could handle having no peace.

Caty said:

I know I need Jesus for salvation. & I know it is a gift but when do we know the point that God will no longer give it? I mena how do I know that God hasnt given up on me. Because if He ahs I dont understand why Im putting myself through this torture. Im only getting worse & Ive been like this for months with people praying for me and stuff so, how do I know that He still wants me or even loves me?

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Well Caty according to what you have just posted you understand well what is required. If you have honestly asked God to give you this gift He has done it for you. That is all you need to do to be saved and forgiven. You just have to believe that and ingore the voices. The peace will come in time.

There is no point when God gives up on us. I don't understand why you have to struggle like this either it seems unfair doesn't it. gg

gratefulgrace said:

Well Caty according to what you have just posted you understand well what is required. If you have honestly asked God to give you this gift He has done it for you. That is all you need to do to be saved and forgiven. You just have to believe that and ingore the voices. The peace will come in time.

There is no point when God gives up on us. I don't understand why you have to struggle like this either it seems unfair doesn't it. gg

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if there is no point that God has given up on people, what about the uf-sin, if I could get past that I know I could break other barriors down.

& about me struggling, so you think that people who have committed that sin feel this way or feel this way and then God eventually makes them reprobate?

Well that has been explained and you just have to believe that if you still hunger for God you haven't sinned that sin. It is the sin that discounts God and His ability to do anything at all or as in the case of the Pharisees in Jesus day, they said that Jesus was the under the power of the devil and that is the only reason he had supernatual power. It is a conscious rejection of all that God His and all He has offered. This does not apply to you at all. I know the fear is part of the OCD but just try to trust that what has been shared about this is true and forget the accusing voices. (easier said than done I know) gg

but to me ive done that & i still want God, so it confuses me on how that can be true.

im not trying to be smart or anythign but thats just how my mind sees it

So you think Jesus does his work by the power of Satan?

No, I don't but see niether did the Phararsiees

To quote Billy Graham:

___"Many Christians have heard that there is an unpardonable sin and live in dread that something grave they have done before or after conversion might be that sin.
___"Their fears are unfounded. While there is an unforgivable sin, it is not one that a true believer in Jesus Christ can commit.
___"The one sin which God cannot forgive is mentioned in Mark 3:28-30 and Matthew 12:31-32. Jesus had been performing miracles, including driving demons out of people by the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead of recognizing the source of Jesus' power and accepting Him as God's Son, the religious leaders accused Him of being possessed by the devil and driving demons out in the power of the devil.
___"Jesus responded by saying, "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
___"The sin of the religious leaders, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, was a refusal to accept the witness of the Holy Spirit to who Jesus was and what He had come to do, and then submit their lives to Him. Jesus said concerning the Holy Spirit, "When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment" (John 16:8). They chose rather to reject the Spirit's witness to their sin and to Jesus, and accused Him of being demon possessed!
___"The point for us is that if we have received Jesus as our Savior and Lord, we have not blasphemed the Holy Spirit; we have accepted His witness. One study Bible explains it as follows: "To commit this sin one must consciously, persistently, deliberately, and maliciously reject the testimony of the Spirit to the deity and saving power of the Lord Jesus." If a person keeps doing that until death, there is no hope of forgiveness and eternal life in heaven.
___"Once again, the unpardonable sin is not some particularly grievous sin committed by a Christian before or after accepting Christ, nor is it thinking or saying something terrible about the Holy Spirit. Rather, it is deliberately resisting the Holy Spirit's witness and invitation to turn to Jesus until death ends all opportunity.
___"In order to experience God's peace, we must come to Him, trusting His promises. Isaiah 1:18 says, "Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow." In 1 John 1:9 we read: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
___"Jesus Himself assures us, "Whoever comes to me I will never drive away" (John 6:37). Our God is a compassionate and merciful God. He desires that no one should be lost, but that all should come to salvation through repentance and personal faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord (2 Peter 3:9; Acts 2:21)."

Caty said:

No, I don't but see niether did the Phararsiees

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Yes they did they said he drove out demons by the power of Belzeebub who was the Lord of the Flies or Satan. Not all did of course as Nicodemus was saved I believe See John chapter 3

Mat 12:23And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"

Mat 12:24Now when the Pharisees heard [it] they said, "This [fellow] does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, [fn] the ruler of the demons."

Mat 12:25But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

Mat 12:26If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Mat 12:27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast [them] out? Therefore they shall be your judges.

Mat 12:28But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

It is late and I must head to bed but i will say a prayer for you before I sleep Caty. GG