Ignoring The Evidence : Why Are You Not An Evolutionist?

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The reason you're spending time evading simply cutting and pasting is because the information asked for doesn't exist.



I don't know the process. You don't know the process.

Buh bye.

Rubbish.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

So you do have me confused with someone else again. I have made no such claim. I have never seen anyone make such a claim in these forums.

BAZINGA!

 

[justlookinla]

Rubbish.

For the fifth time, please copy and paste the part that describes the process if you will.

 

[Davian]

I know of no one who attempts discussion by cartoon.

Given the number of times you have confused me with someone else, allow me not to rely on your memory.

I still find it preferable to the tilting-at-windmills and burning straw-men approaches used by others in these forums.

You've offered nothing to falsify.

I've defined my word usage many times now.

Darwinist 'creationism' makes the claim. You, and others here, openly embrace the faith-based view of Darwinism.

Mind-reading fail. I do not adhere to any such view, faith-based or otherwise.

Mind-Reading Hat

• Davian
• Jul 30, 2015

Those mind reading-reading hats are notoriously inaccurate in cold weather.

And change your shirt.

It's simply an indicator of the views of Darwinist 'creationism'.

I did not think you had any such relationship.

But, my point was that, unlike religious truths, scientific truths are not necessarily incompatible, so to suggest that a newer, more accurate scientific truth/theory/hypothesis turns the previous iteration into a lie, or falsehood, is to express ignorance, or intellectual dishonesty.

The point was, you're attempting to introduce an off-topic discuss. The other point is that in spite of your repeated attempt, your attempts failed.

Not at all. I made my point in my last post, and it was on topic. Feel free to obfuscate if you agree.

I don't address references to one's family. Those are off limit.

It wasn't for you to address. It was only to let you know that your actions affect others. In this case, it was for the better.

My point made, I'm done. You carry on being argumentative, if you like.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

For the fifth time, please copy and paste the part that describes the process if you will.

I think there are less than five steps for the making of a man and woman by God.
If one takes the dumb-down version. Wham! -- God made mankind.
If one takes the slightly more details version. Woooosh -- 1. God decides to make something which looks and behaves like himself, 2. looks in the mirror, 3. picks up some earth, 4. shapes it to look like them (plural), 5. places giant lips on shaped lips, 6. Blows in the way that one might blow a flute, 7, the shape is animated and able to feel, think, reason but is only a wee caricature of them. Woosh --- 1. God decides to alleviate the loneliness of the man. 2. He puts the man into a deep sleep. 3. He reaches into the man's rib cage. 4. He takes a rib out. 5. He closes the flesh. 6. Wham! he makes a helper (woman) for the man. 7. the shape is animated and able to feel, think, reason but is only a wee caricature of them.
Jesus agrees with this process, but adds that if he breathes into our nostrils then we can become more than just wee caricatures.
St. Paul agrees and writes a very magical text about how it's all going to happen.
Neil Shubin throws a Spaniard in the works and BAZINGA, the story of Moses, Jesus and Paul seems more like a great big old fairy tale.

 

[justlookinla]

I think there are less than five steps for the making of a man and woman by God.
If one takes the dumb-down version. Wham! -- God made mankind.
If one takes the slightly more details version. Woooosh -- 1. God decides to make something which looks and behaves like himself, 2. looks in the mirror, 3. picks up some earth, 4. shapes it to look like them (plural), 5. places giant lips on shaped lips, 6. Blows in the way that one might blow a flute, 7, the shape is animated and able to feel, think, reason but is only a wee caricature of them. Woosh --- 1. God decides to alleviate the loneliness of the man. 2. He puts the man into a deep sleep. 3. He reaches into the man's rib cage. 4. He takes a rib out. 5. He closes the flesh. 6. Wham! he makes a helper (woman) for the man. 7. the shape is animated and able to feel, think, reason but is only a wee caricature of them.
Jesus agrees with this process, but adds that if he breathes into our nostrils then we can become more than just wee caricatures.
St. Paul agrees and writes a very magical text about how it's all going to happen.
Neil Shubin throws a Spaniard in the works and BAZINGA, the story of Moses, Jesus and Paul seems more like a great big old fairy tale.

Great story but with no scriptural basis.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Great story but with no scriptural basis.

Twaddle. Substantiate!

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I forgot to add, stir into the mix one very subtle talking snake and you have Adam and Eve thinking they can be more than just caricatures of the one who thought them, fashioned them and gave them life. (living beings) They fall for the trickster's chatter, well Eve does and manages to dupe Adam and so they get tossed out of the metaphorical garden of bliss and die. Thousands of years later the same one who fashioned them, decides to leave the metaphorical garden of bliss and enter their world and at what a cost. No-one listens to his message and like those who came before him, he meets a horrible end and it's rumored that he died but God raised him up and he was seen walking around on the earth and talking to hundreds of people before he went back to the metaphorical garden of bliss. Or something along those lines.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Feel free to obfuscate if you agree.

Does that come with tea?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The reason you're spending time evading simply cutting and pasting is because the information asked for doesn't exist.



I don't know the process. You don't know the process.

Buh bye.

Sure they do. Slime became all.

Not withstanding the simple fact that nothing has ever been observed to become another species.

Like I tell them all the time and they are unable to refute:

Asian mates with Asian and produces ONLY Asian. African mates with African and produces ONLY African.

Husky mates with Husky and produces ONLY Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces ONLY Mastiff.

Only when Asian mates with African is variation - Afro-Asian seen within the species. Only when Husky mates with Mastiff is variation - Chinook seen within the species.

The Asian does not evolve into the Afro-Asian nor does the African. The Husky does not evolve into the Chinook, nor does the Mastiff.

If evolutionists had never seen dogs before and found fossils of the Husky and Mastiff and then later in the strata found fossils of the Chinook, they would claim as fact the Husky or the Mastiff evolved into the Chinook. They would be wrong of course, but that wouldn't stop them from making the claim anyways.

These:

Are in reality no different than these:

Or these:

Just different infraspecific taxa within the species to which they belong. They simply incorrectly classify everything in the fossil record as separate species while ignoring the real world around them and how life actually propagates and variation enters the species.

If they ever get around to correctly classifying the fossil record all their fantasies would fade away.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Nonsense. The explanation though simple is still an explanation of that process.

No, it is explanation of the event - nothing explains how God made man from those same protons and electrons that make up rock or dirt.

Are you saying that you have absolute free will? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism )

Absolutely. One can choose to follow the path God laid out for our best interest or not. Just as Adam had the choice not to partake of the knowledge of evil. Being able to choose to follow God or not is not the same as needing God's help to combat sin once you have made that choice. That some confuse the two is the problem. And therefor have no real understanding of what "free-will" is or means.

That I might need His help to walk uphill does not mean I am not free to instead walk downhill. That choice to walk uphill or downhill is mine and mine alone.

Are you saying that Evolution is a faith-based belief? ( http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA612.html )

Absolutely!

Are you a Christian?

Depends on if your idea of being a Christian requires one to belong to a specific religion. If you mean do I believe in God, and His son Jesus - absolutely.

 

[newhopeinHim]

No, it is explanation of the event - nothing explains how God made man from those same protons and electrons that make up rock or dirt.



Absolutely. One can choose to follow the path God laid out for our best interest or not. Just as Adam had the choice not to partake of the knowledge of evil. Being able to choose to follow God or not is not the same as needing God's help to combat sin once you have made that choice. That some confuse the two is the problem. And therefor have no real understanding of what "free-will" is or means.

That I might need His help to walk uphill does not mean I am not free to instead walk downhill. That choice to walk uphill or downhill is mine and mine alone.



Absolutely!



Depends on if your idea of being a Christian requires one to belong to a specific religion. If you mean do I believe in God, and His son Jesus - absolutely.[/QUOTE