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Ignoring The Evidence : Why Are You Not An Evolutionist?

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That he didn't exist is a very parsimonious explanation for why there is no body, and so little evidence for his existence, is it not?

Show me Alexander's body????? Show me Attila the Hun's Body? Strawmen after strawmen is all evolutionists have.


[Do I go with the experts, or with the non-experts like yourself?

Hmmmm.

I'll go with the experts, thanks. :wave:

Then why do you ignore the experts?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,... and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
"Nevertheless there is "near universal consensus" among scholars that Jesus existed historically,"

You claim to go with the experts - but the experts believe he existed - so in reality you ignore the experts and go with your own personal belief because you don't want to accept the data. I understand, I really do.
 
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It worked for the entire worlds population. Everyone has heard to Jesus. But its another thing if some choose not to believe the message.
For most of the history of Christianity (say to the end of the 15th century), knowledge of Jesus was largely confined to Europe.
 
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Since we are discussing the things made, could you at least be honest with others if you wont be honest with yourself? Why don't you tell us all what invisible thing all things are made of????
Am I free to make unevidenced, untestable, unfalsifiable statements, as you did?
IOr are you afraid where that might go so you decided to throw in childish distraction tactics?
Where might that go?
Sorry, won't work with me. So tell us all what invisible power all things are made of
I am not the one claiming to know.
and what makes this conversation possible.
The Internet.
Or is it you don;t know, so instead of asking you thought a stupid response was mandated?
Not stupid, but appropriate. :wave:
 
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Show me Alexander's body????? Show me Attila the Hun's Body? Strawmen after strawmen is all evolutionists have.
Show me a religion that claims the absence of the body of one of those individuals as "evidence" for the veracity of their belief system.

lol.
Then why do you ignore the experts?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,... and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
"Nevertheless there is "near universal consensus" among scholars that Jesus existed historically,"

You claim to go with the experts - but the experts believe he existed - so in reality you ignore the experts and go with your own personal belief because you don't want to accept the data. I understand, I really do.
What part of "I'll go with the experts, thanks" did you fail to comprehend?

The question stands, why do you not go with the experts?
 
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Cavemen were hunched over and the bones were transformed by incredibly old age, 900 years perhaps, they were wise and lived long after the flood but abominations such as creating white bread to last over 24 hours caused a lack of vital nutriants and life span declined, hence daily bread. The world is not millions of years old only thousands. Science evolutionist are 100% lies. Youtube Dinosaurs, the flood and the bible
 
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Cavemen were hunched over and the bones were transformed by incredibly old age, 900 years perhaps, they were wise and lived long after the flood but abominations such as creating white bread to last over 24 hours caused a lack of vital nutriants and life span declined, hence daily bread. The world is not millions of years old only thousands. Science evolutionist are 100% lies. Youtube Dinosaurs, the flood and the bible
 
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The world is not millions of years old only thousands. Science evolutionist are 100% lies.
I could care less what you think about evolution. However, the earth is not only thousands of years old, it is 4.54 Ga +/- 1%.
 
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Cavemen were hunched over and the bones were transformed by incredibly old age, 900 years perhaps, they were wise and lived long after the flood but abominations such as creating white bread to last over 24 hours caused a lack of vital nutriants and life span declined, hence daily bread. The world is not millions of years old only thousands. Science evolutionist are 100% lies. Youtube Dinosaurs, the flood and the bible

Hi, welcome to the forum.

There's a lot to unpack in your post, but lets give it a go.

"Cavemen" is a really imprecise term - do you mean neanderthals, denisovans, homo sapiens or any of our older hominid ancestors?

What do you mean by "hunched over"? Are you referring to the iconic image of the horizontal progression along a series of a common ape ancestor through various hominid ancestors that are less ape like and more like us all the way through to anatomically modern humans? Anatomically modern humans emerged around 50-80,000 years ago and that iconic picture isnt actually that accurate. To use a Terry Pratchett phrase is a "lies we tell to children" to allow them to understand the basics of what is actually a very complicated concept.

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Do you have any extra-biblical evidence that these "cavemen" lived for 900 years, and not, say and average lifespan of under 40 years?

What do you mean by "wise"? Does that mean more or less intelligent than modern humans?

White bread is not an abomination. Its highly processed source of carbohydrate and contains some preservatives, and has a small but important role in the Western world's obesity crisis, but its not an abomination. Now natto, that's an abomination!

"The world is not millions of years old only thousands." Well, you're wrong on both of those. The world is billions of years old. 5.543 (+/- about 50 million years). We've known that the world is at least 10s of millions of years old for better than 200 years, thanks to chemical dating, better than 100s of millions of years old for better than 150 years, thanks to knowledge of volcanism, and better than billions of years old for more than 100 years, thanks to radiometric dating. If you want to challenge this, you've got a lot of legwork to do.

"Science evolutionist are 100% lies." Not sure that makes a lot of grammatical sense, but I get your gist. Unfortunately for you, the theory of biological evolution is one of the most robustly evidenced and supported theories in human history. We understand biological evolution better than we do gravity, for example. If it was all lies, then its the biggest conspiracy in history. Hundreds of thousands of practicing biologist, paleontologists, geologists and historians are all actively deceiving the general public and have done so for better than 150 years. The other interpretation, that people circa 2500-2800 years ago invoked gods for things they had no explanation for, is vastly less complicated and much more satisfactory. The application of Occam's Razor would seem to suggest the latter is correct.


I've probably waffled enough, but one more point. Hitchen's dictum - That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - would seem to apply here.

If you're going to make a series of claims - cavemen lived for 900 years, the world is thousands of years old, ccience evolutionist are 100% lies - then you should support those with evidence. Otherwise, your claims carry about the same weight as the phrase 'Spiderman lives in New York and saved Mary Jane Parker from the Green Goblin'.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Lucy was an ape not a human, sapien means wise and science fails to clarify why the peking man was taken out of the text books, because they were abnormaly aged humans with diseases causing the ape like bone structure. They were modern human just as all other sub species of early man. The feet are the same, artist rendered the ape like skin but really they can only go by the bones. The frail density of the bones they use to determine the age is backwards. The frailness was caused by the old age of the human and not because the bones came from a far distant past but closer than previously considered. Imagine a human growing older than normal, the brows protrude and raise, the forehead flattens and pulls back due to constant tug, they had more brain capacity, larger ears and broad nostrils, usually found with a stick cane for support, and because of an early rich oxygen content healed quicker and prolonged life. These bones are usually bigger than average suggesting amazing feet and strength considering ancient monuments. Foot prints along side huge lizard tracks are often found to have the same modern shape of a barefoot human today implying that in a time when the beasts of the field walked along side man (eden) and have you seen the insects of that era? huge, giants indeed, the bible speaks of john eating roaches, wearing camel skins and is always depicted using a cane. Dragons were described to be giant four legged beast, during acts peter was sent back three times to hunt these beast for meat because he could not get over the old law of cleanliness "thou shall not have any meat uncommon or unclean pass through thy mouth" "peter, thou are not longer a common man". If a dinosaur had nostrils the size of that of a horse yet grew so large, it was the amount of oxygen content but the richness that kept it living. Reptiles continue to grow until death. Isiah also prophesied that a day will come again when man and beast can walk along side and a baby can dip his hand into a snake pit unharmed, lions will graze the field with the cattle. "I have given you the fruits and the seeds and trees for your meat. They extract the contents of the seed which causes aging in bread, thats how it became white, this was mans tampering with nature and altering our lifespan
 
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Lucy was an ape not a human, sapien means wise and science fails to clarify why the peking man was taken out of the text books, because they were abnormaly aged humans with diseases causing the ape like bone structure. They were modern human just as all other sub species of early man. The feet are the same, artist rendered the ape like skin but really they can only go by the bones. The frail density of the bones they use to determine the age is backwards. The frailness was caused by the old age of the human and not because the bones came from a far distant past but closer than previously considered. Imagine a human growing older than normal, the brows protrude and raise, the forehead flattens and pulls back due to constant tug, they had more brain capacity, larger ears and broad nostrils, usually found with a stick cane for support, and because of an early rich oxygen content healed quicker and prolonged life. These bones are usually bigger than average suggesting amazing feet and strength considering ancient monuments. Foot prints along side huge lizard tracks are often found to have the same modern shape of a barefoot human today implying that in a time when the beasts of the field walked along side man (eden) and have you seen the insects of that era? huge, giants indeed, the bible speaks of john eating roaches, wearing camel skins and is always depicted using a cane. Dragons were described to be giant four legged beast, during acts peter was sent back three times to hunt these beast for meat because he could not get over the old law of cleanliness "thou shall not have any meat uncommon or unclean pass through thy mouth" "peter, thou are not longer a common man". If a dinosaur had nostrils the size of that of a horse yet grew so large, it was the amount of oxygen content but the richness that kept it living. Reptiles continue to grow until death. Isiah also prophesied that a day will come again when man and beast can walk along side and a baby can dip his hand into a snake pit unharmed, lions will graze the field with the cattle. "I have given you the fruits and the seeds and trees for your meat. They extract the contents of the seed which causes aging in bread, thats how it became white, this was mans tampering with nature and altering our lifespan

Have you ever tried paragraphs?
 
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