Ignoring The Evidence : Why Are You Not An Evolutionist?

[Loudmouth]

yet there are so many other genes in closely related creatures that break this link as well. Or there are genes that are shared in unrelated creatures which link them closer together.

First, all creatures are related. That's what universal common ancestry is all about.

Second, your claims don't apply to complex eukaryotes. All of the examples you have given are not true.

It seems the same vitamin C loss that is used to link apes and humans together to show common ancestry is also found in not so closely related creatures as well like bats, guinea pigs and passerine birds.

No, it isn't. The mutation that knocked out the vitamin c gene in humans and apes is not found in guinea pigs and passerine birds. Guinea pigs and passerine birds have a different mutation and the expected differences between the genes with respect to DNA sequence. Your example completely fails.

 

[1213]

What next? Are you going to reject the theory of nuclear fusion because it is too much like Sun worshiping religions?

I have no problem with things that can be seen and tested.

Why don't you find mountains of scientific evidence to be a reasonable reason for accepting the theory of evolution?

We have no direct evidence for evolution (and by evolution I mean in this that all species have come up from single species). “Mountains of scientific evidence” is in my opinion great lie.

 

[1213]

Do you believe all of the other scientific theories (besides evolution) that you rely on everyday of your life, to be a religion also?

I accept all scientific matters that can be tested and seen, or reasoned with solid logic. Evolution belief is just a great assumption without any good evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

I accept all scientific matters that can be tested and seen, or reasoned with solid logic. Evolution belief is just a great assumption without any good evidence.

Tell that to your doctor when you visit them next and see what they say.

 

[Davian]

Okay. Is that a hobby or are you a professional philosopher?

Until someone starts paying me to do it, it remains a hobby.

I guess it's the fact that so many 'religionists'*

Do you have a better label for those that adhere to a religion?

are engaged in biology etc. (the Sciences) that the novice assumes there is a gate for evangelism and propagation of their particular religious denomination's ideology etc.

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*- a person adhering to a religion; especially : a religious zealot : MW Online Dict. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religionist

Gallup: Religion: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx

 

[UCDavis]

I hope darwin and everybody on this forum accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior before they die. What do u have to lose? You have eternity to gain..

 

[bhsmte]

I hope darwin and everybody on this forum accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior before they die. What do u have to lose? You have eternity to gain..

What would I have to lose? Lying to myself on the thought that I have nothing to lose is not something I do well.

 

[stevevw]

First, all creatures are related. That's what universal common ancestry is all about.

Second, your claims don't apply to complex eukaryotes. All of the examples you have given are not true.

It seems the evidence is disagreeing with what you say. There is evidence for widespread HGT between eukaryotes and endosymbiosis between micro organisms and eukaryotes.
Phylogeny: Rewriting evolution
Tiny molecules called microRNAs are tearing apart traditional ideas about the animal family tree.
http://www.nature.com/news/phylogeny-rewriting-evolution-1.10885
Lost in a Masquerade: Horizontal Gene Transfer Impersonates Common Ancestry
Until recently, most biologists thought that HGT was confined to microbes. Yet, in the last couple of years, researchers have uncovered evidence for horizontal gene transfer in higher plants and animals, which they think is mediated by viruses and single-celled pathogens transmitted from species to species via an insect vector. Because of transposons’ mobility within genomes, they readily take part in HGT events.
http://www.reasons.org/articles/los...al-gene-transfer-impersonates-common-ancestry
Horizontal gene transfer between bacteria and animals
Even today, many of the described instances of bacteria to animal transfer occur as part of intimate relationships like those of endosymbionts and their invertebrate hosts, particularly insects and nematodes, while numerous transfers are also found in asexual animals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068243/
Extensive Gene Transfers Occur in Complex Cells Way More than Expected
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ne-transfers-found-to-occur-in-complex-cells/

No, it isn't. The mutation that knocked out the vitamin c gene in humans and apes is not found in guinea pigs and passerine birds. Guinea pigs and passerine birds have a different mutation and the expected differences between the genes with respect to DNA sequence. Your example completely fails.

But the fact it is also taken out in these more distant creatures shows that it is not just limited to apes and humans. The evidence also shows that the human gene is more similar to the gorilla which are more distant to humans than chimps. So this contradicts the inferred patter anyway. Then there are many examples such as the vast incongruence in the tree of life. This links distantly related creatures together through large chunks of the same genes. So these all contradict the pattern inferred by what you are trying to show with the ape and human gene similarity. It seems evolution likes to focus on some things when it shows support but ignore others when it doesn't.

Here are just a few examples that contradict the pattern inferred by the tree of life and common ancestry.
Kangaroo DNA unexpectedly contains huge chunks of the human genome
Cows, Snakes, and... Dolphins? "The cow genome contains a piece of snake DNA..." according to that New Scientist Darwin was Wrong about the Tree of Life
Elephants and Moles: The elephant shrew is genetically closer to an actual elephant than it is to other shrews, as reported by Roger Lewin in New Scientist.
Mouse DNA is the same as 80% of the human genome.
Gorilla DNA is closer to humans than chimps in 15% of the genome
Humans are more closely related to flies and worms than previously thought, genome studes suggest
http://www.genome.gov/27558082
Understanding phylogenetic incongruence: lessons from... bats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22891620

 

[Black Dog]

Because evolution theory ignores the historical evidence recorded in Scripture. You cannot cherry-pick the evidence.

But your scripture isn't evidence. No more than the Dreamtime myths are evidence of how the world was created. Or do you accept that supernatural beings broke through the surface of the earth, and after wandering around for a while, created the mountains, hills, plants and animals?

 

[Black Dog]

Computers don't actually work, they are another scam by NASA to take your money, to fund the Mars hoax.

I knew it! *shakes fist in the general direction of Florida*

 

[Black Dog]

Well, truth be told, This discussion is pretty much moot. evolutionist will debate this topic with christians until they are blue in the face, and christians will debate this topic until they are blue in the face. Regardless of evidence presented either way,...

The problem is, there is only evidence on one side of the ledger. A mountain of evidence on one side, and on the other side a book written 2000 years ago, a book which contains all the errors you would expect to find in something written two thousand years ago.

 

[Black Dog]

Yes, those are fiction as well.

"It is tempting for the scientist to deduce the events of a crime from the crime scene findings. This activity, known as scenario building, is not only useless but also harmful. A person who does this will frequently find himself to be wrong when he learns more facts at a later date."

You mean the scientists and experts who investigate crime scenes daily? The scientists and experts who help police find and convict criminals on a daily basis? We should ignore them?

 

[durangodawood]

I cant even believe people have a problem with common ancestry between humans and apes. Just look at us, and look at them! Before even digging into the science, it just seems right.

 

[Black Dog]

I have no problem with things that can be seen and tested.

Well, we can now "see" DNA, and "test" it to see how life evolved.

We have no direct evidence for evolution (and by evolution I mean in this that all species have come up from single species). “Mountains of scientific evidence” is in my opinion great lie.

You just said you have no problem with things that can be seen and tested, but then you said what has been seen and tested is, in your opinion, a great lie. One of your two statements must be false.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I hope darwin and everybody on this forum accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior before they die.

How do you know he didn't?

What do u have to lose? You have eternity to gain..

"This above all: to thine own self be true." -- Shakespeare

"Infidelity comes not from believing, or not believing; it cones from professing to believe what one does not believe." -- Thomas Paine

 

[HitchSlap]

I accept all scientific matters that can be tested and seen, or reasoned with solid logic. Evolution belief is just a great assumption without any good evidence.

Then using your logic, so is space travel.

 

[Doveaman]

But your scripture isn't evidence.

History is evidence, and scripture is a record of that history/evidence.

 

[Doveaman]

I cant even believe people have a problem with common ancestry between humans and apes. Just look at us, and look at them! Before even digging into the science, it just seems right.

The feet don't match:

 

[Davian]

History is evidence, and scripture is a record of that history/evidence.

History is evidence of history?

 

[durangodawood]

The feet don't match:

Of course we're not identical.
But the similarities are just too much.