Ignoring The Evidence : Why Are You Not An Evolutionist?

[bhsmte]

Are we talking microevolution (the small changes that take place in a species, leading to variations, but do not lead to new species) or macroevolution (the theory that microevolution, given enough time, can cause a species to slowly turn into another species altogether)?

In terms of macroevolution, there's one simple reason that I don't believe it - it assumes there is no God.

Now, before all you eager atheists and agnostics jump on this and say that "science doesn't speak to God," I will elucidate this statement.

Even though scientists claim that science - in which they include the "science" of origins - does not speak to the existence of God, this is nothing more than a falsification of fact. The reason is simple: If God exists, then, by His very nature, there are things in this world that cannot be satisfactorily explained without the presence of God.

When scientists say that everything in this world can be satisfactorily explained without the presence of God, it is the same as saying that there is no God. Because if there is a God, then His actions will have caused effects that cannot be satisfactorily explained without Him.

What intrigues me is that - in this regard - evolutionists apply a premise that is not thought reasonable if applied anywhere else. The premise is that if we can understand the parts and workings of something, that is evidence that it didn't have a Designer.

There is another premise applied by evolutionists that is not thought reasonable anywhere else. That is that if things are similar, that is evidence that one came from another, or all from some lower thing of the same variety.

But if we tried to apply these premises to any other orderly thing in the universe, these same scientists would ridicule us.

For example, we understand very well how a cell phone works. But if we tried to use our understanding of a cell phone as evidence that it came to being by completely natural processes with no intelligent interference, we would be ridiculed for this notion (and rightly so).

If we were to say that the faces on Mt. Rushmore were carved out over thousands of years by natural processes and just happen to look like real faces, we would be ridiculed (and rightly so).

If we were to claim that because all vehicles have features common to them, it's evidence that they evolved without outside interference from a single vehicle, which itself came about through purely natural processes, we would be laughed at (and rightly so).

And yet, scientists say that because we can understand a large portion of the incredibly complex systems that make up physical life - because we can analyze the components that all living creatures physically have to process food, water, etc. - that this is enough evidence to say that there is no need for an intelligent Creator of life.

Furthermore, they say that because all life has certain similarities, it all evolved from an original life form, that itself came about by purely natural causes. They further say that closer similarities indicate evolutionary ancestry.

So why do I choose to not believe in macroevolution? Because I believe that there is a God, and therefore there are things that exist because He made them to exist. And the most unsatisfactory explanations of evolution do not negate the intricacy, complexity, and glory of His works.

How does macro evolution (the TOE) assume their is no God?

Do you disregard all scientific theories, because none mention a God?

 

[nomadictheist]

How does macro evolution (the TOE) assume their is no God?

Do you disregard all scientific theories, because none mention a God?

Are we talking microevolution (the small changes that take place in a species, leading to variations, but do not lead to new species) or macroevolution (the theory that microevolution, given enough time, can cause a species to slowly turn into another species altogether)?

In terms of macroevolution, there's one simple reason that I don't believe it - it assumes there is no God.

Now, before all you eager atheists and agnostics jump on this and say that "science doesn't speak to God," I will elucidate this statement.

Even though scientists claim that science - in which they include the "science" of origins - does not speak to the existence of God, this is nothing more than a falsification of fact. The reason is simple: If God exists, then, by His very nature, there are things in this world that cannot be satisfactorily explained without the presence of God.

When scientists say that everything in this world can be satisfactorily explained without the presence of God, it is the same as saying that there is no God. Because if there is a God, then His actions will have caused effects that cannot be satisfactorily explained without Him.

What intrigues me is that - in this regard - evolutionists apply a premise that is not thought reasonable if applied anywhere else. The premise is that if we can understand the parts and workings of something, that is evidence that it didn't have a Designer.

There is another premise applied by evolutionists that is not thought reasonable anywhere else. That is that if things are similar, that is evidence that one came from another, or all from some lower thing of the same variety.

But if we tried to apply these premises to any other orderly thing in the universe, these same scientists would ridicule us.

For example, we understand very well how a cell phone works. But if we tried to use our understanding of a cell phone as evidence that it came to being by completely natural processes with no intelligent interference, we would be ridiculed for this notion (and rightly so).

If we were to say that the faces on Mt. Rushmore were carved out over thousands of years by natural processes and just happen to look like real faces, we would be ridiculed (and rightly so).

If we were to claim that because all vehicles have features common to them, it's evidence that they evolved without outside interference from a single vehicle, which itself came about through purely natural processes, we would be laughed at (and rightly so).

And yet, scientists say that because we can understand a large portion of the incredibly complex systems that make up physical life - because we can analyze the components that all living creatures physically have to process food, water, etc. - that this is enough evidence to say that there is no need for an intelligent Creator of life.

Furthermore, they say that because all life has certain similarities, it all evolved from an original life form, that itself came about by purely natural causes. They further say that closer similarities indicate evolutionary ancestry.

So why do I choose to not believe in macroevolution? Because I believe that there is a God, and therefore there are things that exist because He made them to exist. And the most unsatisfactory explanations of evolution do not negate the intricacy, complexity, and glory of His works.

Of all the scientific theories, only macroevolution (and abiogenesis, which is taught as part of the macroevolutionary theory) speaks to the origins of life. I don't see the need to repeat the evidence that macroevolution denies the existence of God.

 

[bhsmte]

Of all the scientific theories, only macroevolution (and abiogenesis, which is taught as part of the macroevolutionary theory) speaks to the origins of life. I don't see the need to repeat the evidence that macroevolution denies the existence of God.

Wrong.

Evolution, does not deal in how life originated.

A very common misconception, with creationists.

 

[nomadictheist]

Wrong.

Evolution, does not deal in how life originated.

A very common misconception, with creationists.

Did you read what you just quoted? I clearly said that macroevolution, along with abiogenesis which is taught in our education systems as part of the macroevolutionary theory - speaks to the origins of life. Yes - abiogenesis is what specifically speaks to the origins, but since it is taught as a part of the macroevolutionary theory it is really no different (in fact, abiogenesis could be said to be the "evolution" of non-life to life).

 

[bhsmte]

Did you read what you just quoted? I clearly said that macroevolution, along with abiogenesis which is taught in our education systems as part of the macroevolutionary theory - speaks to the origins of life. Yes - abiogenesis is what specifically speaks to the origins, but since it is taught as a part of the macroevolutionary theory it is really no different (in fact, abiogenesis could be said to be the "evolution" of non-life to life).

Macro evolution is part of the TOE and nothing in the TOE, discusses the "origins of life"

The TOE deals with, how life evolved, not how it originated.

 

[nomadictheist]

Macro evolution is part of the TOE and nothing in the TOE, discusses the "origins of life"

The TOE deals with, how life evolved, not how it originated.

Then why do they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution to students?

You say this to get a technicality, but when it comes to presentation of the material it is all presented as part of the same theory.

And I can tell you why they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution - because if you believe abiogenesis, then it's part of evolution - the evolution, as I said, of non-life to life. Which is, in fact, origins.

And, furthermore, macroevolution in itself does speak to origins of life - not life itself, but individual life forms. The Bible says that God created man from the dust of the earth. Macroevolution says that man's origins lie in some primate in the past.

But thanks for your opinion

 

[bhsmte]

Then why do they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution to students?

You say this to get a technicality, but when it comes to presentation of the material it is all presented as part of the same theory.

And I can tell you why they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution - because if you believe abiogenesis, then it's part of evolution - the evolution, as I said, of non-life to life. Which is, in fact, origins.

And, furthermore, macroevolution in itself does speak to origins of life - not life itself, but individual life forms. The Bible says that God created man from the dust of the earth. Macroevolution says that man's origins lie in some primate in the past.

But thanks for your opinion

One simple way to settle this. Show me in the theory of evolution, where there is any mention of abiogenesis or how life originated.

I will wait patiently.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Of all the scientific theories, only macroevolution (and abiogenesis, which is taught as part of the macroevolutionary theory) speaks to the origins of life. I don't see the need to repeat the evidence that macroevolution denies the existence of God.

That's unfortunate, because there is no such evidence.

 

[HitchSlap]

Then why do they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution to students?

You say this to get a technicality, but when it comes to presentation of the material it is all presented as part of the same theory.

And I can tell you why they teach abiogenesis as part of evolution - because if you believe abiogenesis, then it's part of evolution - the evolution, as I said, of non-life to life. Which is, in fact, origins.

And, furthermore, macroevolution in itself does speak to origins of life - not life itself, but individual life forms. The Bible says that God created man from the dust of the earth. Macroevolution says that man's origins lie in some primate in the past.

But thanks for your opinion

But... we're... not... made... of... dust.

Oh, NVM.

 

[nomadictheist]

One simple way to settle this. Show me in the theory of evolution, where there is any mention of abiogenesis or how life originated.

I will wait patiently.

Alright, per your request, here are the contents of three textbooks on evolution:

1. 
   PART I FOUNDATIONS OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
   1. An Overview of Evolutionary Biology
   2. Early Evolutionary Ideas and Darwin’s Insight
   3. Natural Selection
   4. Phylogeny and Evolutionary History
   5. Inferring Phylogeny
   
   PART II EVOLUTIONARY GENETICS
   6. Transmission Genetics and the Sources of Genetic Variation
   7. The Genetics of Populations
   8. Evolution in Finite Populations
   9. Evolution at Multiple Loci
   10. Genome Evolution
   
   PART III THE HISTORY OF LIFE
   11. The Origin and Evolution of Early Life
   12. Major Transitions
   13. Evolution and Development
   14. Species and Speciation
   15. Extinction and Evolutionary Trends
   
   PART IV EVOLUTIONARY INTERACTIONS
   16. Sex and Sexual Selection
   17. The Evolution of Sociality
   18. Coevolution
   19. Human Evolution
   20. Evolution and Medicine

Preface
Aim and Scope of the Book



I AN OVERVIEW OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
1 The History of Evolutionary Biology: Evolution and Genetics
2 The Origin of Molecular Biology
3 Evidence for Evolution




II THE ORIGIN AND DIVERSIFICATION OF LIFE
4 The Origin of Life
5 The Last Universal Common Ancestor and the Tree of Life
6 Diversification of Bacteria and Archaea. I: Phylogeny and Biology
7 Diversification of Bacteria and Archaea. II: Genetics and Genomics
8 The Origin and Diversification of Eukaryotes
9 Multicellularity and Development
10 Diversification of Plants and Animals
11 Evolution of Developmental Programs




III EVOLUTIONARY PROCESSES
12 Generation of Variation by Mutation and Recombination
13 Variation in DNA and Proteins
14 Variation in Genetically Complex Traits
15 Random Genetic Drift
16 Population Structure
17 Selection on Variation
18 The Interaction between Selection and Other Forces
19 Measuring Selection
20 Phenotypic Evolution
21 Conflict and Cooperation
22 Species and Speciation
23 Evolution of Genetic Systems
24 Evolution of Novelty




IV HUMAN EVOLUTION
25 Human Evolutionary History
26 Current Issues in Human Evolution




Glossary
Figure Credits
Index

Symposium Participants
Foreword
Introduction
Darwin the Scientist
J. Browne
On the Future of Biology
E.O. Wilson
RNA and Proteins
Evolution of Biological Catalysis: Ribozyme to RNP Enzyme
T.R. Cech
Evolution in an RNA World
G.F. Joyce
The Ribosome: Some Hard Facts about Its Structure and Hot Air about Its Evolution
V. Ramakrishnan
Step-by-Step Evolution of Vertebrate Blood Coagulation
R.F. Doolittle
How Proteins Adapt: Lessons from Directed Evolution
F.H. Arnold
Cellular Evolution
Reconstructing the Emergence of Cellular Life through the Synthesis of Model Protocells
S.S. Mansy and J.W. Szostak
Dynamic Chromosome Organization and Protein Localization Coordinate the Regulatory Circuitry that Drives the Bacterial Cell Cycle
E.D. Goley, E. Toro, H.H. McAdams, and L. Shapiro
An Integrated View of Precambrian Eumetazoan Evolution
E.H. Davidson and D.H. Erwin
The Dawn of Developmental Signaling in the Metazoa
G.S. Richards and B.M. Degnan
Mutation
Evolving Views of DNA Replication (In)Fidelity
T.A. Kunkel
Protein Folding Sculpting Evolutionary Change
S. Lindquist
Predicting Virus Evolution: The Relationship between Genetic Robustness and Evolvability of Thermotolerance
C.B. Ogbunugafor, R.C. McBride, and P.E. Turner
Genome-wide Mutational Diversity in an Evolving Population of Escherichia coli
J.E. Barrick and R.E. Lenski
Selection, Gene Interaction, and Flexible Gene Networks
R.J. Greenspan
Selection and Adaptation
The Oligogenic View of Adaptation
G. Bell
Genetic Dissection of Complex Traits in Yeast: Insights from Studies of Gene Expression and Other Phenotypes in the BYxRM Cross
I.M. Ehrenreich, J.P. Gerke, and L. Kruglyak
Measuring Natural Selection on Genotypes and Phenotypes in the Wild
C.R. Linnen and H.E. Hoekstra
Exploring the Molecular Landscape of Host–Parasite Coevolution
D.E. Allen and T.J. Little
Genetic Recombination and Molecular Evolution
B. Charlesworth, A.J. Betancourt, V.B. Kaiser, and I. Gordo
Why Sex and Recombination?
N.H. Barton
Diversity
Eradicating Typological Thinking in Prokaryotic Systematics and Evolution
W.F. Doolittle
The Phylogenetic Forest and the Quest for the Elusive Tree of Life
E.V. Koonin, Y.I. Wolf, and P. Puigbò
On the Origins of Species: Does Evolution Repeat Itself in Polyploid Populations of Independent Origin?
D.E. Soltis, R.J.A. Buggs, W.B. Barbazuk, P.S. Schnable, and P.S. Soltis
Evolution of Systems
Molecular Evolution of piRNA and Transposon Control Pathways in Drosophila
C.D. Malone and G.J. Hannon
Drosophila Brain Development: Closing the Gap between a Macroarchitectural and Microarchitectural Approach
A. Cardona, S. Saalfeld, P. Tomancak, and V. Hartenstein
A General Basis for Cognition in the Evolution of Synapse Signaling Complexes
S.G.N. Grant
Evolution of Development
Evolution in Reverse Gear: The Molecular Basis of Loss and Reversal
Q.C.B. Cronk
Darwin’s “Abominable Mystery”: The Role of RNA Interference in the Evolution of Flowering Plants
A. Cibrián-Jaramillo and R.A. Martienssen
Evolution of Insect Dorsoventral Patterning Mechanisms
M.W. Perry, J.D. Cande, A.N. Boettiger, and M. Levine
Lophotrochozoa Get into the Game: The Nodal Pathway and Left/Right Asymmetry in Bilateria
C. Grande and N.H. Patel
On the Origins of Novelty and Diversity in Development and Evolution: A Case Study on Beetle Horns
A.P. Moczek
Genetic Regulation of Mammalian Diversity
R.R. Behringer, J.J. Rasweiler IV, C.-H. Chen, and C.J. Cretekos
Domestication
Genomics, Domestication, and Evolution of Forest Trees
R. Sederoff, A. Myburg, and M. Kirst
Studying Phenotypic Evolution in Domestic Animals: A Walk in the Footsteps of Charles Darwin
L. Andersson
Fine Mapping a Locus Controlling Leg Morphology in the Domestic Dog
P. Quignon, J.J. Schoenebeck, K. Chase, H.G. Parker, D.S. Mosher, G.S. Johnson, K.G. Lark, and E.A. Ostrander
Human Evolution
Human Origins and Evolution: Cold Spring Harbor, Déjà Vu
T.D. White
Reconstructing the Evolution of Vertebrate Sex Chromosomes
D.W. Bellott and D.C. Page
The Evolution of Human Segmental Duplications and the Core Duplicon Hypothesis
T. Marques-Bonet and E.E. Eichler
snaR Genes: Recent Descendants of Alu Involved in the Evolution of Chorionic Gonadotropins
A.M. Parrott and M.B. Mathews
DUF1220 Domains, Cognitive Disease, and Human Brain Evolution
L. Dumas and J.M. Sikela
Mitochondria, Bioenergetics, and the Epigenome in Eukaryotic and Human Evolution
D.C. Wallace
Genetic Structure in African Populations: Implications for Human Demographic History
C.A. Lambert and S.A. Tishkoff
Social Interaction and Human Society
A Defense of Sociobiology
K.R. Foster
Evo-Devo and the Evolution of Social Behavior: Brain Gene Expression Analyses in Social Insects
A.L. Toth and G.E. Robinson
Cooking and the Human Commitment to a High-quality Diet
R.N. Carmody and R.W. Wrangham
The Cultural Evolution of Words and Other Thinking Tools
D.C. Dennett
When Ideas Have Sex: The Role of Exchange in Cultural Evolution
M.W. Ridley
An Evolutionary Approach to Financial History
N. Ferguson
The Religious Essence of Intelligent Design
B. Forrest
Deconstructing Design: A Strategy for Defending Science
K.R. Miller
Summary
B. Charlesworth
Author Index
Subject Index

All of these are textbooks for evolution, and all of them contain an entire chapter devoted to the origin of life.

 

[bhsmte]

Alright, per your request, here are the contents of three textbooks on evolution:

1. 
   PART I FOUNDATIONS OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
   1. An Overview of Evolutionary Biology
   2. Early Evolutionary Ideas and Darwin’s Insight
   3. Natural Selection
   4. Phylogeny and Evolutionary History
   5. Inferring Phylogeny
   
   PART II EVOLUTIONARY GENETICS
   6. Transmission Genetics and the Sources of Genetic Variation
   7. The Genetics of Populations
   8. Evolution in Finite Populations
   9. Evolution at Multiple Loci
   10. Genome Evolution
   
   PART III THE HISTORY OF LIFE
   11. The Origin and Evolution of Early Life
   12. Major Transitions
   13. Evolution and Development
   14. Species and Speciation
   15. Extinction and Evolutionary Trends
   
   PART IV EVOLUTIONARY INTERACTIONS
   16. Sex and Sexual Selection
   17. The Evolution of Sociality
   18. Coevolution
   19. Human Evolution
   20. Evolution and Medicine

Preface
Aim and Scope of the Book



I AN OVERVIEW OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
1 The History of Evolutionary Biology: Evolution and Genetics
2 The Origin of Molecular Biology
3 Evidence for Evolution




II THE ORIGIN AND DIVERSIFICATION OF LIFE
4 The Origin of Life
5 The Last Universal Common Ancestor and the Tree of Life
6 Diversification of Bacteria and Archaea. I: Phylogeny and Biology
7 Diversification of Bacteria and Archaea. II: Genetics and Genomics
8 The Origin and Diversification of Eukaryotes
9 Multicellularity and Development
10 Diversification of Plants and Animals
11 Evolution of Developmental Programs




III EVOLUTIONARY PROCESSES
12 Generation of Variation by Mutation and Recombination
13 Variation in DNA and Proteins
14 Variation in Genetically Complex Traits
15 Random Genetic Drift
16 Population Structure
17 Selection on Variation
18 The Interaction between Selection and Other Forces
19 Measuring Selection
20 Phenotypic Evolution
21 Conflict and Cooperation
22 Species and Speciation
23 Evolution of Genetic Systems
24 Evolution of Novelty




IV HUMAN EVOLUTION
25 Human Evolutionary History
26 Current Issues in Human Evolution




Glossary
Figure Credits
Index

Symposium Participants
Foreword
Introduction
Darwin the Scientist
J. Browne
On the Future of Biology
E.O. Wilson
RNA and Proteins
Evolution of Biological Catalysis: Ribozyme to RNP Enzyme
T.R. Cech
Evolution in an RNA World
G.F. Joyce
The Ribosome: Some Hard Facts about Its Structure and Hot Air about Its Evolution
V. Ramakrishnan
Step-by-Step Evolution of Vertebrate Blood Coagulation
R.F. Doolittle
How Proteins Adapt: Lessons from Directed Evolution
F.H. Arnold
Cellular Evolution
Reconstructing the Emergence of Cellular Life through the Synthesis of Model Protocells
S.S. Mansy and J.W. Szostak
Dynamic Chromosome Organization and Protein Localization Coordinate the Regulatory Circuitry that Drives the Bacterial Cell Cycle
E.D. Goley, E. Toro, H.H. McAdams, and L. Shapiro
An Integrated View of Precambrian Eumetazoan Evolution
E.H. Davidson and D.H. Erwin
The Dawn of Developmental Signaling in the Metazoa
G.S. Richards and B.M. Degnan
Mutation
Evolving Views of DNA Replication (In)Fidelity
T.A. Kunkel
Protein Folding Sculpting Evolutionary Change
S. Lindquist
Predicting Virus Evolution: The Relationship between Genetic Robustness and Evolvability of Thermotolerance
C.B. Ogbunugafor, R.C. McBride, and P.E. Turner
Genome-wide Mutational Diversity in an Evolving Population of Escherichia coli
J.E. Barrick and R.E. Lenski
Selection, Gene Interaction, and Flexible Gene Networks
R.J. Greenspan
Selection and Adaptation
The Oligogenic View of Adaptation
G. Bell
Genetic Dissection of Complex Traits in Yeast: Insights from Studies of Gene Expression and Other Phenotypes in the BYxRM Cross
I.M. Ehrenreich, J.P. Gerke, and L. Kruglyak
Measuring Natural Selection on Genotypes and Phenotypes in the Wild
C.R. Linnen and H.E. Hoekstra
Exploring the Molecular Landscape of Host–Parasite Coevolution
D.E. Allen and T.J. Little
Genetic Recombination and Molecular Evolution
B. Charlesworth, A.J. Betancourt, V.B. Kaiser, and I. Gordo
Why Sex and Recombination?
N.H. Barton
Diversity
Eradicating Typological Thinking in Prokaryotic Systematics and Evolution
W.F. Doolittle
The Phylogenetic Forest and the Quest for the Elusive Tree of Life
E.V. Koonin, Y.I. Wolf, and P. Puigbò
On the Origins of Species: Does Evolution Repeat Itself in Polyploid Populations of Independent Origin?
D.E. Soltis, R.J.A. Buggs, W.B. Barbazuk, P.S. Schnable, and P.S. Soltis
Evolution of Systems
Molecular Evolution of piRNA and Transposon Control Pathways in Drosophila
C.D. Malone and G.J. Hannon
Drosophila Brain Development: Closing the Gap between a Macroarchitectural and Microarchitectural Approach
A. Cardona, S. Saalfeld, P. Tomancak, and V. Hartenstein
A General Basis for Cognition in the Evolution of Synapse Signaling Complexes
S.G.N. Grant
Evolution of Development
Evolution in Reverse Gear: The Molecular Basis of Loss and Reversal
Q.C.B. Cronk
Darwin’s “Abominable Mystery”: The Role of RNA Interference in the Evolution of Flowering Plants
A. Cibrián-Jaramillo and R.A. Martienssen
Evolution of Insect Dorsoventral Patterning Mechanisms
M.W. Perry, J.D. Cande, A.N. Boettiger, and M. Levine
Lophotrochozoa Get into the Game: The Nodal Pathway and Left/Right Asymmetry in Bilateria
C. Grande and N.H. Patel
On the Origins of Novelty and Diversity in Development and Evolution: A Case Study on Beetle Horns
A.P. Moczek
Genetic Regulation of Mammalian Diversity
R.R. Behringer, J.J. Rasweiler IV, C.-H. Chen, and C.J. Cretekos
Domestication
Genomics, Domestication, and Evolution of Forest Trees
R. Sederoff, A. Myburg, and M. Kirst
Studying Phenotypic Evolution in Domestic Animals: A Walk in the Footsteps of Charles Darwin
L. Andersson
Fine Mapping a Locus Controlling Leg Morphology in the Domestic Dog
P. Quignon, J.J. Schoenebeck, K. Chase, H.G. Parker, D.S. Mosher, G.S. Johnson, K.G. Lark, and E.A. Ostrander
Human Evolution
Human Origins and Evolution: Cold Spring Harbor, Déjà Vu
T.D. White
Reconstructing the Evolution of Vertebrate Sex Chromosomes
D.W. Bellott and D.C. Page
The Evolution of Human Segmental Duplications and the Core Duplicon Hypothesis
T. Marques-Bonet and E.E. Eichler
snaR Genes: Recent Descendants of Alu Involved in the Evolution of Chorionic Gonadotropins
A.M. Parrott and M.B. Mathews
DUF1220 Domains, Cognitive Disease, and Human Brain Evolution
L. Dumas and J.M. Sikela
Mitochondria, Bioenergetics, and the Epigenome in Eukaryotic and Human Evolution
D.C. Wallace
Genetic Structure in African Populations: Implications for Human Demographic History
C.A. Lambert and S.A. Tishkoff
Social Interaction and Human Society
A Defense of Sociobiology
K.R. Foster
Evo-Devo and the Evolution of Social Behavior: Brain Gene Expression Analyses in Social Insects
A.L. Toth and G.E. Robinson
Cooking and the Human Commitment to a High-quality Diet
R.N. Carmody and R.W. Wrangham
The Cultural Evolution of Words and Other Thinking Tools
D.C. Dennett
When Ideas Have Sex: The Role of Exchange in Cultural Evolution
M.W. Ridley
An Evolutionary Approach to Financial History
N. Ferguson
The Religious Essence of Intelligent Design
B. Forrest
Deconstructing Design: A Strategy for Defending Science
K.R. Miller
Summary
B. Charlesworth
Author Index
Subject Index

All of these are textbooks for evolution, and all of them contain an entire chapter devoted to the origin of life.

I asked you to show me where the "theory of evolution" discusses abiogenesis or how life originated, not list chapters in text books.

 

[nomadictheist]

But... we're... not... made... of... dust.

Oh, NVM.

Did I say we were? I said that God created man from the dust of the earth, not made man from the dust of the earth.

 

[nomadictheist]

I asked you to show me where the "theory of evolution" discusses abiogenesis or how life originated, not list chapters in text books.

My claim is that the theory of evolution includes the theory of abiogenesis because they are taught together.

Do you argue this or not?

 

[bhsmte]

My claim is that the theory of evolution includes the theory of abiogenesis because they are taught together.

Do you argue this or not?

Show me in the actual "theory of evolution", that it discusses or includes, abiogenesis, as part of the theory of evolution.

 

[nomadictheist]

That's unfortunate, because there is no such evidence.

Standard atheist/evolutionist practice - just deny and don't even bother to try to counterpoint...

There's a reason I said "repeat." See my original post for an explanation

 

[nomadictheist]

Show me in the actual "theory of evolution", that it discusses or includes, abiogenesis, as part of the theory of evolution.

I just showed you three textbooks that are used to teach evolution, and all three of them discuss the origin of life.

As I've said several times - it is taught as part of the theory of evolution. You want to separate it for your purposes in this thread, but not in the classroom.

 

[HitchSlap]

My claim is that the theory of evolution includes the theory of abiogenesis because they are taught together.

Do you argue this or not?

No. They are not taught together. Although they are both natural sciences, ToE begins with life, and makes no claims about abiogenesis.

 

[nomadictheist]

No. They are not taught together. Although they are both natural sciences, ToE begins with life, and makes no claims about abiogenesis.

If ToE makes no claims about abiogenesis, then why does every ToE textbook claim abiogenesis?

 

[HitchSlap]

Did I say we were? I said that God created man from the dust of the earth, not made man from the dust of the earth.

But... we're... not... created... out... of ...dust...

Oh, NVM.

 

[nomadictheist]

But... we're... not... created... out... of ...dust...

Oh, NVM.

Yes we were. You were correct in saying that we're not made of dust. Made and created are two different things.

To create something is to make something from nothing or to use components already present to make something new. Try finding anything in the human body that can't be found in the earth.