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Great thought...But only at the expense of some other soul? How could one rejoice in heaven knowing his salvation meant someone else's sure damnation?
No. There was a penalty. Christ bore it on the cross.So you can sin as much as you like, unrepentantly, with no penalty?
Wow...
It doesn’t mean that. I can’t even figure out how you came to that conclusion.But only at the expense of some other soul? How could one rejoice in heaven knowing his salvation meant someone else's sure damnation?
I guess because some of us understand what’s meant by it. But even if you don’t understand (which apparently you don’t), I cannot see how you come to the conclusion that it is a zero sum game.Limited atonement. Do the math. How could one not come to that conclusion?
This encapsulates the core error Calvinists will regret on Judgement Day.No. There was a penalty. Christ bore it on the cross.
Hear that all the time. . " Well you just don't understand it." How come nobody seems to be able to explain it? Because I read lots of Calvinist stuff, and that's the logical conclusion.I guess because some of us understand what’s meant by it. But even if you don’t understand (which apparently you don’t), I cannot see how you come to the conclusion that it is a zero sum game.
Why are Calvinists going to regret this?This encapsulates the core error Calvinists will regret on Judgement Day.
Sadly and dangerously arrogant in the extreme...
Your lack of understanding doesn’t mean that you just get to make stuff up.I
Hear that all the time. . " Well you just don't understand it." How come nobody seems to be able to explain it? Because I read lots of Calvinist stuff, and that's the logical conclusion.
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Hear that all the time. . " Well you just don't understand it." How come nobody seems to be able to explain it? Because I read lots of Calvinist stuff, and that's the logical conclusion.
This encapsulates the core error Calvinists will regret on Judgement Day.
Sadly and dangerously arrogant in the extreme...
Okay. It’s not a zero-sum game.Lol, no explanation, just more condensation. How about an answer?
If God provides atonement for the elect, a limited number of people, then logically the ones that are passed by are destined for damnation because they aren't among the chosen. That means you being chosen means someone else isn't. It might not be the same number, but the concept remains. Seems like Paul said he would choose damnation to save his fellow Jews. Was he more merciful than God?Okay. It’s not a zero-sum game.
That doesn’t mean that person A is saved because person B isn’t. God would be just if He didn’t save anyone.If God provides atonement for the elect, a limited number of people, then logically the ones that are passed by are destined for damnation because they aren't among the chosen. That means you being chosen means someone else isn't. It might not be the same number, but the concept remains. Seems like Paul said he would choose damnation to save his fellow Jews. Was he more merciful than God?
Don’t goad. You’ve gotten answers.No answers.
I thought this was Ask a Calvinist...
You are creating another false dichotomy. There is nothing special about the elect. They are the same as the reprobate by nature. God is in no way obligated to save any of us. Those that He did not choose get exactly as they deserve in strict justice and the elect get what they do not deserve. Your idea that one soul is saved at the expense of another is utter nonsense.If God provides atonement for the elect, a limited number of people, then logically the ones that are passed by are destined for damnation because they aren't among the chosen. That means you being chosen means someone else isn't. It might not be the same number, but the concept remains. Seems like Paul said he would choose damnation to save his fellow Jews. Was he more merciful than God?
First, Paul is not God. Paul has no right or authority to make a difference between men. He was a sinner in need of mercy like you and me.If God provides atonement for the elect, a limited number of people, then logically the ones that are passed by are destined for damnation because they aren't among the chosen. That means you being chosen means someone else isn't. It might not be the same number, but the concept remains. Seems like Paul said he would choose damnation to save his fellow Jews. Was he more merciful than God?
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