If your child “needed” an extra arm..,

[Hammster]

Actually the original OP was more reasonable, because some people really do choose to have body parts removed.

Some choose to have parts added.

 

[Hammster]

Or simply accept the fact that Gender Dysphoria is a real thing, not just a fad.

If they have to cure a mental disease by pretending that the person is correct, and then adding a body part, they aren’t really doing their job.

 

[returntosender]

If they had 3 legs, yes

 

[partinobodycular]

Some choose to have parts added.

Reference please.

 

[Hammster]

If they had 3 legs, yes

Why?

 

[Hammster]

Reference please.

Are you unaware of so-called sex change operations?

 

[returntosender]

Why?

To tie their shoes. Assuming their arms have fingers

 

[partinobodycular]

Are you unaware of so-called sex change operations?

So that's it? That's all you've got? Nobody getting a third arm?

Why did you use as an example something that absolutely never happens?

Why didn't you simply ask if people would approve of their child having a sex change operation, instead of trying to cleverly dance around the issue? In which case most reasonable people would simply choose to do that which is in the best interest of the child, as difficult as that may be for them to accept or understand. Of course unreasonable people will put their moral indignation above all else and steadfastly refuse to accept the possibility that genders, like many physiological conditions, aren't always black and white.

There's no reason to think that Gender Dysphoria is anything other than a perfectly normal human condition. People are different, they always have been and they always will be. But being different isn't a sin, or a crime, unless narrow minded people choose to make it so.

Some of the greatest atrocities ever committed by man have been perpetrated on the few, simply because they were different from the many. I choose to believe that we'll be judged not by how we treat those with whom we agree, but how we treat those with whom we don't. Might... real or imagined, doesn't make one right, it only makes them accountable.

 

[returntosender]

So that's it? That's all you've got? Nobody getting a third arm?

Why did you use as an example something that absolutely never happens?

Why didn't you simply ask if people would approve of their child having a sex change operation, instead of trying to cleverly dance around the issue? In which case most reasonable people would simply choose to do that which is in the best interest of the child, as difficult as that may be for them to accept or understand. Of course unreasonable people will put their moral indignation above all else and steadfastly refuse to accept the possibility that genders, like many physiological conditions, aren't always black and white.

There's no reason to think that Gender Dysphoria is anything other than a perfectly normal human condition. People are different, they always have been and they always will be. But being different isn't a sin, or a crime, unless narrow minded people choose to make it so.

Some of the greatest atrocities ever committed by man have been perpetrated on the few, simply because they were different from the many. I choose to believe that we'll be judged not by how we treat those with whom we agree, but how we treat those with whom we don't. Might... real or imagined, doesn't make one right, it only makes them accountable.

But that's Hammy's MO. You must be new?

 

[Rev. Adam McKay PhD]

It was in line with the stupid argument presented.

Nuh uh, your argument is stupid.

Polite adults either ignore something they find "stupid" and I doubt you even find it stupid, or they point out the flaw in the argument. Stupidity, or the lack of intelligence, is generally reflected in the inability to do the latter and resort of name calling.

 

[returntosender]

I understand the point of this thread but the guilty parent is not at this site because they are not christians. You can't reach them here.

 

[returntosender]

Nuh uh, your argument is stupid.

Polite adults either ignore something they find "stupid" and I doubt you even find it stupid, or they point out the flaw in the argument. Stupidity, or the lack of intelligence, is generally reflected in the inability to do the latter and resort of name calling.

Welcome to the forum, I'm sure you will make a difference. Hopefully positive.

 

[returntosender]

So that's it? That's all you've got? Nobody getting a third arm?

Why did you use as an example something that absolutely never happens?

Why didn't you simply ask if people would approve of their child having a sex change operation, instead of trying to cleverly dance around the issue? In which case most reasonable people would simply choose to do that which is in the best interest of the child, as difficult as that may be for them to accept or understand. Of course unreasonable people will put their moral indignation above all else and steadfastly refuse to accept the possibility that genders, like many physiological conditions, aren't always black and white.

There's no reason to think that Gender Dysphoria is anything other than a perfectly normal human condition. People are different, they always have been and they always will be. But being different isn't a sin, or a crime, unless narrow minded people choose to make it so.

Some of the greatest atrocities ever committed by man have been perpetrated on the few, simply because they were different from the many. I choose to believe that we'll be judged not by how we treat those with whom we agree, but how we treat those with whom we don't. Might... real or imagined, doesn't make one right, it only makes them accountable.

I don't believe it's a normal human condition. There are too many cases now. its almost a fad and so many parents are lost from God and following along with their childrens requests to keep up with the Joneses. We've never seen this volume before and that's the moral decay and moving away from God. A Christian parent would recognize what this is and would never allow it. We all need to stand up for God's principles and stop giving in to the world. The children are what we have allowed to run amuck. We as in the world outside of the Lord. It's up to the christian to turn the world around and reverse this mess.STAND STRONG! This going on with the children wasn't here 10 years ago. We got lax with the gays and other moral values. We give the devil an inch and it becomes a mile.

 

[partinobodycular]

I don't believe it's a normal human condition.

Obviously anything can be pushed to the extreme, but I personally think that Gender Dysphoria is perfectly normal, it's just that society has forced it into the shadows for so long that to more conservative eyes it appears to be abnormal. But there have been effeminate boys and butch girls ever since time immemorial, but we didn't think of them as anything more than that. So long as they didn't "come out" we were fine with believing that it wasn't a problem. But now some of us are beginning to see it differently, maybe it is a problem, and maybe it's time to let them be what they've always felt they should be. Whatever that is. Love thy neighbor means that maybe we should at least take the time to listen. And if there is some element of fad to it, it'll quickly fade as all fads do. Life tends to pull us back to reality pretty quickly. In the meantime it's fine to have voices such as yours standing in opposition, so long as we can control the rhetoric and keep from condemning one side or other to eternal damnation for our supposed immorality and irrational wokeism. Just chill, the world's not coming to an end yet. At least I don't think so.

Gender Dysphoria doesn't mean that people are suddenly becoming more immoral. People are just people. You have to learn to accept that. Now it's easy to run around crying the sky is falling, but it really isn't. It didn't fall when we let blacks date whites, or when we let women be more than just domestic servants, or even when we let gays get married. Life is pretty mundane other than the imagined drama that we just seem to love to fill it with. Relax, this too shall pass, and we'll trundle along until the next great moral calamity. Wherein we'll all be at each other's throats again. Such is life. Give it a few more years and you and I'll be dead, and we'll leave it to the next generation to find some great moral crisis to worry about.

I think that if there really is a God then He must be having a good laugh watching us run around panicking over every imagined moral impropriety. I'm weird, you're weird, we're all weird, but we need to get over it, and realize that yes, we're gonna screw up sometimes, and Gender Dysphoria may just be the latest example of where we way overreacted... but what else is new?

So I tell you what, I'll accept that you have good intentions, and hopefully you can accept that I have good intentions, and with all those good intentions somehow it's all gonna work out, so long as we don't all kill each other. So I hereby promise not to kill you. I may vehemently disagree with you from time to time, but that's what these forums are for... right. Now as for social media I can't say what their agenda is, but that's a whole different moral cup of tea.

Anyway, maybe consider that not everybody is as comfortable in their sexual identity as you are... it's possible you know. And maybe they're not immoral degenerates at all... maybe they're just people. Normal, weird, dysfunctional people... like you and me.

 

[gaara4158]

Are you then promoting a case by case approach with nothing off the table?

In the transgender issue it seems to me to be a misnomer. Sex does not align with gender so the sex is changed, not the gender. Gender cannot be changed. Shouldn't it be transexual? Back to the child with the unwanted arm.

What is that child's truth? He or she has two arms as is the norm for humans. But is not at peace with this situation. Of course the first step ought to be counselling. There is a big WHY that needs to be understood. But what is the priority? The desired goal? What is in the child's best interest? That is a question more difficult than it seems.

Yes, a case by case basis with the goal of making the child’s life better. This would involve weighing the severity and persistence of their psychological discomfort against the lifelong consequences of losing a limb. The principle is the same for someone who may be transgender.

As to your sex change comment, you are correct. The person’s gender isn’t changed by a surgery. Instead, they are having an operation to have their sex align with their gender. That’s why it’s sometimes called gender affirmation surgery, not gender-changing surgery.

 

[Hammster]

So that's it? That's all you've got? Nobody getting a third arm?

Why did you use as an example something that absolutely never happens?

Why didn't you simply ask if people would approve of their child having a sex change operation, instead of trying to cleverly dance around the issue? In which case most reasonable people would simply choose to do that which is in the best interest of the child, as difficult as that may be for them to accept or understand. Of course unreasonable people will put their moral indignation above all else and steadfastly refuse to accept the possibility that genders, like many physiological conditions, aren't always black and white.

There's no reason to think that Gender Dysphoria is anything other than a perfectly normal human condition. People are different, they always have been and they always will be. But being different isn't a sin, or a crime, unless narrow minded people choose to make it so.

Some of the greatest atrocities ever committed by man have been perpetrated on the few, simply because they were different from the many. I choose to believe that we'll be judged not by how we treat those with whom we agree, but how we treat those with whom we don't. Might... real or imagined, doesn't make one right, it only makes them accountable.

I guess you don’t understand the point of thought experiments. I don’t think this is the thread for you.

 

[Hammster]

I understand the point of this thread but the guilty parent is not at this site because they are not christians. You can't reach them here.

It’s more or less directed to these folks

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
— Romans 1:32

 

[returntosender]

It’s more or less directed to these folks

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
— Romans 1:32

But that almost sounds like you're saying their sin is worse then others.practice is the key but if they alter God's creation it's probably only once and so not a practice. I don't know whether any of these folks would not know better? Perhaps you should have had a poll? Has any of your respondent's defended this barbarian practice? I saw one but didn't check to see if he is listed as christian.its hard to understand the mind of these parents other then to say they know nothing of God. Some day though, i wonder what will happen when they wake up and want a reversal. Will God forgive them if they reverse it?

We shouldn't be arming children.
I know the NRA says otherwise, and there is that song, "Head, shoulders, not the toes, not the toes"
But anyway, I'm against the arming of children.

Lol

 

[returntosender]

Yes, a case by case basis with the goal of making the child’s life better. This would involve weighing the severity and persistence of their psychological discomfort against the lifelong consequences of losing a limb. The principle is the same for someone who may be transgender.

As to your sex change comment, you are correct. The person’s gender isn’t changed by a surgery. Instead, they are having an operation to have their sex align with their gender. That’s why it’s sometimes called gender affirmation surgery, not gender-changing surgery.

The problem is at that age do they really know what is right for them. They should be at an adult age. Let them have their own guilt instead of laying it on their parents. I'm not condoning it at any age I'm just saying

 

[Divide]

It depends on if it is the left or the right. If it was the left that the child thinks isn't real, then it should be removed as the left arm is sinister.

That's funny, good one! But I have heard people say things like that, and be serious! Thus,

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet..../

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what your personal gender is. You look into the undypants ans whatever plumbing there is is what you got and what you are.

I dunno why they always start talking about their feelings. Say they feel like a woman, that's got nothing to do with what we are talking about. Say, why do you think the Trans movement never latched onto this song for their Anthem?!