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If your child “needed” an extra arm..,

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If your child came to you and said they had an extra arm because they felt that they should only have one arm, would you support surgery to have an arm removed?
What a silly qustion. It's their body so of course the answer is yes. I mean what if they commit suicide if I say no. But I'd get a professional expert to lob it off of course.
 
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That’s hilarious. You should probably stay in your lane.
And while you're removing all those body parts that offend you why don't you go ahead and hack off your child's foreskin too, just for good measure. I don't recall having any say in that one, but there must've been some urgent medical need... right?
 
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I assume that you're against it, yet the bible advocates doing just that.

Matthew 18:8-9 KJV
And while you're removing all those body parts that offend you why don't you go ahead and hack off your child's foreskin too, just for good measure. I don't recall having any say in that one, but there must've been some urgent medical need... right?
You seem to be taking an unusual stance on this as a Christian. Since Matthew 18:8-9 has never been practiced, it's obvious Jesus is saying that hell is even worse than losing a body part. As for circumcision, Paul spoke against it. It sounds like you're not in favor of circumcision, but you are in favor of children getting mastectomies and penectomies?
 
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...but you are in favor of children getting mastectomies and penectomies?

Matthew 19:12

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Such things are of little importance to me. Who am I to judge the burdens of others. I didn't make them... God did. I see no more sin in them than I do in you. Unless you're perfect... which I presume you're not.

There are far more pressing things to worry about. Like how you're excoriating them.
 
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  • For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: Impotency.
  • and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: Castration
  • and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake: Vow of Celibacy.
Such things are of little importance to me. Who am I to judge the burdens of others.
Then why weigh in on something that's of such little importance to you?
I didn't make them... God did. I see no more sin in them than I do in you. Unless you're perfect... which I presume you're not.
According to the Bible God made them male and female. I confess that I'm a sinner and that sinning is wrong, rather than denying it.
There are far more pressing things to worry about. Like how you're excoriating them.
Actually I'm excoriating adults advocating children being given mastectomies and penectomies.
 
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According to the Bible God made them male and female.

And if we were still in the garden sinless and perfect then you might have a point... but we're not... we're imperfect. Sure you have every right to be concerned, I would expect nothing less, but what you don't have is the right to condemn people who are dealing with situations that you know absolutely nothing about, simply because they offend your naive sense of morality. Believe it or not, they're probably just as devastated by the situation as you are, so what they need is something that you seem completely unwilling to give... understanding.

To that end, I wish you pain.


For not being a woke secularly minded Christian?

It's not the woke part that I'm concerned about... it's the Christian part.
 
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And if we were still in the garden sinless and perfect then you might have a point... but we're not... we're imperfect. Sure you have every right to be concerned, I would expect nothing less, but what you don't have is the right to condemn people who are dealing with situations that you know absolutely nothing about, simply because they offend your naive sense of morality. Believe it or not, they're probably just as devastated by the situation as you are, so what they need is something that you seem completely unwilling to give... understanding.

To that end, I wish you pain.

Andy Grammar a non-christian who adheres to the Baháʼí Faith

Apparently you want me to say that sin is okay and that it's okay to be sinful. To the point where I say it's okay to give children sex change operations, and to condemn those against it. And it's not my morality. It's the morality that I've learned from God. From the word of God, not from humanistic reasoning and worldly philosophy.
It's not the woke part that I'm concerned about... it's the Christian part.
I'd be interested in what what you believe is God's view on giving kids sex change operations.
 
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If your child came to you and said they had an extra arm because they felt that they should only have one arm, would you support surgery to have an arm removed?
I would not
 
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It is much easier for the over-population and eugenics advocates
to pitch mass sterilization as being a subversive act*
than it would be to directly impose it on society.

*We will show you by removing ourselves from the gene pool...! Ha! :doh:
 
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In what hypothetical world can I not look at how other similar cases went?

Or in this hypothetic is this the first case of its kind?
It’s just a hypothetical. It’s a thought experiment. I’m not asking if you agree with some past event. I’m asking what you’d do in this situation.
 
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It’s just a hypothetical. It’s a thought experiment. I’m not asking if you agree with some past event. I’m asking what you’d do in this situation.
Id look and see how other similar cases went before I decided. I'm certainly not going to make hugely consequential decisions in ignorance.
 
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