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If you were God, would you demand worship?

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Some of these comments are truly disturbing. It seems that some of you are completely convinced that hell exists. If hell does exist, then mark my words, most if not all of your family members will end up in hell. Most Christians are entertained by the idea of heaven simply because they expect to see their beloved ones. Yet the odds that three thirds of their family members will end up in hell is astounding. This is even supported by the bible which states that few will be saved. How could someone be happy in heaven knowing that their mother is in agony? Or their son? Daughter? This is outrageous when you really think about it. As a former Christian, I have no idea how I used to believe in such an absurd idea. Of course, if that was my main reason for my disbelief, I'd be foolish. This is just something to think about.


Two reasons one can find contentment in Heaven. 1) The God you love with all of your Heart, Mind, Spirit, and strength will be with you. 2) You will also find comfort in the fact that their is no one in Hell who did not truly choose to be there.
 
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Some of these comments are truly disturbing. It seems that some of you are completely convinced that hell exists. If hell does exist, then mark my words, most if not all of your family members will end up in hell. Most Christians are entertained by the idea of heaven simply because they expect to see their beloved ones. Yet the odds that three thirds of their family members will end up in hell is astounding. This is even supported by the bible which states that few will be saved. How could someone be happy in heaven knowing that their mother is in agony? Or their son? Daughter? This is outrageous when you really think about it. As a former Christian, I have no idea how I used to believe in such an absurd idea. Of course, if that was my main reason for my disbelief, I'd be foolish. This is just something to think about.

Well, you can keep that idea. Most of my family are saved. They're NOT going to Hell just because you say so.
And your statement is ridiculously badly worded. "Most, if not all of your family"... all of your family would include yourself. "Three thirds"... you mean one onth, or seventeen seventeeths?
AND you've lifted a load of stuff out of context. All this one third business and few will be saved - that's all end times stuff. You think you have a handle on this? Your posts just show how little you did know. Perhaps that's why you chose to stop believing in it?
Really you need to get back to the basics of the truth of the Word. You might even find the answers to all your grievances.
 
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Well, you can keep that idea. Most of my family are saved. They're NOT going to Hell just because you say so.
And your statement is ridiculously badly worded. "Most, if not all of your family"... all of your family would include yourself. "Three thirds"... you mean one onth, or seventeen seventeeths?
AND you've lifted a load of stuff out of context. All this one third business and few will be saved - that's all end times stuff. You think you have a handle on this? Your posts just show how little you did know. Perhaps that's why you chose to stop believing in it?
Really you need to get back to the basics of the truth of the Word. You might even find the answers to all your grievances.

Ok, I admit it. I meant three-fourths. Thanks for the heads up. But anyways, I apologize if you are offended. I was generalizing. I didn't refer specifically to
your family. Nonetheless, I still hold my words to be true. According to the bible, the number of people sent to hell will far outnumber the number of
people saved. I'm a bit tired right now so I'll just leave it at that...
 
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Dear Hispan. Jesus gave us two Commandments, they say all what God told us in His ten Commandments. 1) Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. 2) Love our neighbour as ourselves." To Love God is also to Worship Him. I say this with love, Hispan. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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If you were God, would you demand worship?

This is one of the reasons I lost my faith. If I was God, I would never demand anyone to worship me. If I, a human being, can think like this, why would a supernatural being require worship?

Define worship, in your own opinion and words first.

As for me, I regard worship firstly and foremost as simply recognizing God as God. I don't particularly see Him demanding that I worship Him either. I see my worship as a voluntary act, something I want to do because I enjoy doing it because of what I believe about Him.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Some of these comments are truly disturbing. It seems that some of you are completely convinced that hell exists. If hell does exist, then mark my words, most if not all of your family members will end up in hell. Most Christians are entertained by the idea of heaven simply because they expect to see their beloved ones. Yet the odds that three thirds of their family members will end up in hell is astounding. This is even supported by the bible which states that few will be saved. How could someone be happy in heaven knowing that their mother is in agony? Or their son? Daughter? This is outrageous when you really think about it. As a former Christian, I have no idea how I used to believe in such an absurd idea. Of course, if that was my main reason for my disbelief, I'd be foolish. This is just something to think about.

We don't all share the same views and ideas regarding Hell. If you're curious as to some of my own views on the nature of Hell, look up St. Isaac the Syrian on Google and his comments on the nature of Hell.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What's there stopping your God from reserving a separate section of Heaven for good men whose only "crime" was to not believe in a deity who refuses to reveal himself to the world?


The answer is nothing, except for the petty spite and jealousy of this supposedly kind and loving God.
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There are no good men. Nobody is good but God alone. To turn away from God is to turn to evil. As for God being spiteful, jealous? Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Putting the blame on God won't bring any good.

I've been referred to Romans 1-8 by another Christian regarding this matter. I'm not sure what he wanted me to find (he didn't specifically say), but I can't say I found anything particularly useful. Which chapter(s) and verse(s) should I be looking at?

Right. You said this.
Or maybe they're just asking to not have to be punished simply because they didn't choose to believe a supposedly a loving God who shows no proof of his existence.

And I'm saying in the quote it's addressed already. This is asking for a pardoning of sins so that they are not held guilty and deserving of punishment. The quote answers that Jesus already did that. You suggest that by not accepting salvation from Christ, unbelievers are still expected to somehow be innocent. I recommend reading Romans 1 (perhaps 2 and 3, but I'm not through reading those yet), where Paul explains that you have no excuse against God.

Not at all. What I "resented" (if that's indeed the accurate word to use here) was the implication that we're not very intelligent people by expecting us to accept an argument full of loopholes, inaccuracies, and self-contradictory claims.

A reasonable misunderstanding. But I think you're quite intelligent. No, I think it's something deeper than intellect that prevents you from accepting it. Because I have seen both believers with intellect, and nonbelievers. So it must be something else.

Unless you're a mind reader, that's an untruthful claim. Nobody actually says they want to go to Hell, it's just you who's trying to push the responsibility on them by falsely claiming that it's their choice.

Incorrect. We can deduce this from Revelations and from the story of the rich man and Lazarus. In Revelations, when the people suffer the wrath of God, they do not repent, but scorn and curse God. They refuse to repent. They're just sitting there suffering when they know they're wrong, and they know what they can do to be saved. Similarly, the rich man in Hell never repents to God, in fact he insists that the prophets God sent us was not enough of a warning. The rich man isn't repenting at all, he's complaining!

The only reason people go to Hell, or that there's a Hell at all, is because that's exactly the way your God wants it. How difficult would it be for an all-powerful deity to change the status quo? Not at all. But your God does nothing. That alone says more than enough.

The only reason people go to Hell is because they do not want to be with God. If things were anything other than how they are now, God wouldn't be just. If God had not died for his own people so that they would come back to him, we would not understand how much he loves us. You ask how difficult it would be to change the status quo, but the fact is God already has. Hell is the status quo, we are all on default set to Hell. But God has set in place a way for us to be given salvation. The question is whether or not we want it.

Baseless claims are not evidence.

Which is irrelevant because we have a basis for our evidence.
 
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There are no good men. Nobody is good but God alone. To turn away from God is to turn to evil. As for God being spiteful, jealous? Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Incorrect. We can deduce this from Revelations and from the story of the rich man and Lazarus. In Revelations, when the people suffer the wrath of God, they do not repent, but scorn and curse God. They refuse to repent. They're just sitting there suffering when they know they're wrong, and they know what they can do to be saved. Similarly, the rich man in Hell never repents to God, in fact he insists that the prophets God sent us was not enough of a warning. The rich man isn't repenting at all, he's complaining!

The only reason people go to Hell is because they do not want to be with God. If things were anything other than how they are now, God wouldn't be just. If God had not died for his own people so that they would come back to him, we would not understand how much he loves us. You ask how difficult it would be to change the status quo, but the fact is God already has. Hell is the status quo, we are all on default set to Hell. But God has set in place a way for us to be given salvation. The question is whether or not we want it.

All very well said. :amen:
 
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There's a train coming. Your stuck in glue on the rails. There's a bridge above you, and this really ancient old guy looks over and sees you. he can't reach you, so he gets his son, holds him by the ankles and lowers him over the side. Do you grab his hand and get pulled free, or do you say, &%*$ off, and wait while the train mows you down? And then you blame the old guy on the bridge, "HE decided that the train would hit me if I didn't let them rescue me". EVEN IF the old guy built the train, it's still not his fault your stuck in the mud on the rails. EVEN IF he put the mud there, and EVEN IF it's not your fault you got stuck in it, it IS still your own fault you get run over when there is a hand of help trying to reach you. Your argument is repugnant.

Why make up a repugnant analogy? Jesus made better ones.

Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

http://bible.cc/john/14-7.htm
 
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If you were God, would you demand worship?

This is one of the reasons I lost my faith. If I was God, I would never demand anyone to worship me. If I, a human being, can think like this, why would a supernatural being require worship?
I don't recall Jesus commanding worship. He commanded love to God and man and He taught that loving man is loving God. Matt 25:31 and following.
 
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Why is it so hard to understand? If you don't worship the God of the bible, you go to hell. Thus, you have no choice. It is an obligation, a demand. If the demand is not met, you will suffer grave consequences.

It saddens me that some people voted yes.

You think you can earn your way to heaven by worshipping G-d? :o
 
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If hell does exist, then mark my words, most if not all of your family members will end up in hell.

the odds that three thirds of their family members will end up in hell is astounding.

:doh: You think eternal fate is determined by "odds?" And you are so important that we should "mark your words" on the subject? Hopefully you can recognize your errors here, and be sickened by it ...
 
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The relationship between God and the church (believers) was symbolized in the Bible by marriage. We are called the bride of Christ.

Is it wrong for a fiance to expect love and affection from the one they've engaged to? That is exactly what worship is: expressed love for God.

Most romantic relationships end when one fails to show any love for the other. Why should we expect God to put up with any less?
 
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