If you start with a wrong idea of God it’s extremely hard to get to the correct conclusion of what God has given us in scripture.

[Jeff Saunders]

Unless you have a true understanding of Gods nature and character , when reading scripture it’s extremely hard to get to the correct conclusion. Here is an example of what I mean. In Genesis 6 we read that when God looked upon man and saw that his every thought was evil he regretted, or in KJV he repented he made man. If you’re understanding of God is that he gets jealous, or gets mad , does things that he wishes he hadn’t , then you have made God in man’s image, these are things man does not God. So you read this and think God wished he had not made man he made a mistake. This is reading with out understanding God nature and character. He is no different than the gods of old who were just like man only more powerful, they are the ones who would torture those who didn’t follow them ,not the God of scripture. That’s starting from a faulty understanding of God, which leads to all kinds of errors in understanding Gods plan. If you see God as an infinite God who his nature and character are love, light and in him is no darkness, and life . Who knows the beginning from the end before anything is ever done. Then you would understand that God can’t do anything that he regrets, or is sorry for , he doesn’t get angry, he knows what is going to happen before it happens and he has approved of his plan , how can he be angry, that’s a human emotion. He can’t be jealous there is nothing for him to be jealous about , he is God , if he did these things He would not be God. So when reading Genesis 6 we know that this did not take God by surprise, it’s part of his plan , he doesn’t regret, that’s a human emotion. So when reading this we understand that God is infinite and we are finite, we cannot understand infinite we are incapable of it . So God has to use finite terms that we can relate to so we have an understanding of what he is doing. So by God having in scripture that he regrets making man we can understand the concept, we all do things we regret, that’s being human. Without the proper starting point it’s hard to get to the correct conclusion. That is why those who believe that God would torture most of his creation for all eternity, come to that idea because they read scripture not knowing Gods character and nature and thus come to the wrong conclusion.

 

[Der Alte]

If you’re understanding of God is that he gets jealous, or gets mad , does things that he wishes he hadn’t , then you have made God in man’s image, these are things man does not God. ... He can’t be jealous there is nothing for him to be jealous about ,

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;​

Exo_34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:​

Deu_4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.​

Deu_5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,​

Deu_6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.​

Jos_24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.​

Eze_39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;​

Nah_1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.​

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;​

Exo_34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:​

Deu_4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.​

Deu_5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,​

Deu_6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.​

Jos_24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.​

Eze_39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;​

Nah_1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.​

Thank you for that, you are proving my point.

 

[Der Alte]

Thank you for that, you are proving my point.

Just the opposite.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Just the opposite.

I will ask you a question . If you think God gets jealous, what does the God of all things who has no rivals have to get jealous about? If God know the beginning from the end how can he be jealous?

 

[Der Alte]

I will ask you a question . If you think God gets jealous, what does the God of all things who has no rivals have to get jealous about? If God know the beginning from the end how can he be jealous?

Excuse me did I or did I not quote scripture exactly as written where God, Himself said
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,""the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.?"

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Excuse me did I or did I not quote scripture exactly as written where God, Himself said
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,""the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.?"

I wish you would answer my question. What has God got to be jealous about? Maybe it’s figurative language.

 

[Der Alte]

I wish you would answer my question. What has God got to be jealous about? Maybe it’s figurative language.

Personally, I don't think God speaks figuratively.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Excuse me did I or did I not quote scripture exactly as written where God, Himself said
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,""the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.?"

I will give you the definition of jealousy 1 Envious or resentful of the good fortune or achievements of another. 2 Fearful or wary of losing one’s position or situation to someone else. 3 Having to do with or arising from feelings of envy, apprehension, or bitterness. So which one of these do you think describes God?

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Personally, I don't think God speaks figuratively.

So God said Aion and its translated world, you said it was used figuratively. Then you say “ Personally, I don’t think God speaks figuratively “ which is it either he does or he doesn’t, or do you believe that verse we were talking about is not from God, man placed it in scripture?

 

[Der Alte]

So God said Aion and its translated world, you said it was used figuratively. Then you say “ Personally, I don’t think God speaks figuratively “ which is it either he does or he doesn’t, or do you believe that verse we were talking about is not from God, man placed it in scripture?

God did not translate it.

 

[Der Alte]

I will give you the definition of jealousy 1 Envious or resentful of the good fortune or achievements of another. 2 Fearful or wary of losing one’s position or situation to someone else. 3 Having to do with or arising from feelings of envy, apprehension, or bitterness. So which one of these do you think describes God?

Do you have a problem with scripture as it is written?

 

[jacks]

I think the "jealousy" they are talking about, is the point that the first commandment makes. Not an emotional state.

"You shall have no other gods before Me."

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Do you have a problem with scripture as it is written?

Why will not not answer my questions. You are the one who believes God gets jealous. I gave you the definition of jealous, with 3 possibilities and asked which one describes God and I have yet to see an answer.

 

[Der Alte]

Why will not not answer my questions. You are the one who believes God gets jealous. I gave you the definition of jealous, with 3 possibilities and asked which one describes God and I have yet to see an answer.

False accusation! I quoted scripture exactly as written. If you have a problem with that better talk to God.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

God did not translate it.

Again answer my question. I am detecting a pattern, when an answer doesn’t fit your presuppositions you redirect to something else, what are you afraid of?

 

[Jeff Saunders]

False accusation! I quoted scripture exactly as written. If you have a problem with that better talk to God.

Do you have your own definition for jealous? It’s a simple question, which definition do you ascribe to God?

 

[Der Alte]

Do you have your own definition for jealous? It’s a simple question, which definition do you ascribe to God?

What you or I think "jealous " means is irrelevant. This is God speaking.

Exodus 20:5​

(5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD [YHWH] thy God [Elohim] am a jealous God,[El] visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;​

 

[Jeff Saunders]

I think the "jealousy" they are talking about, is the point that the first commandment makes. Not an emotional state.

"You shall have no other gods before Me."

God has nothing he can or could be jealous of or over so my point is if you don’t understand Gods character and nature, you will read and believe that God can get jealous and he can’t that’s a human or god characteristics not the God of scripture.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Do you have a problem with scripture as it is written?

That’s a funny question from one doesn’t believe scripture as written himself. 1Tim 4:9-11 because we trust in the living God who is the savior of ALL men, especially of those who believe. Do you have a problem with scripture as it is written?