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I equate "Atheism" as something that really does not exist. People who call themselves atheists are agnostics at best. A person who shakes his fist at GOD has a very hard time in my book pretending GOD does not exist.Why is "Atheists" in inverted commas, and why have you equated atheism with anarchism?
I don't know, I note not a few very gullible people right here. Ignorance is not confined to mere jail cells.Arguably, less education means less worldly knowledge, which means less questioning of one's faith. This is supposed to be a virtue, I think. Lucky, that!
I don't think we need a study to prove that...
I equate "Atheism" as something that really does not exist. People who call themselves atheists are agnostics at best. A person who shakes his fist at GOD has a very hard time in my book pretending GOD does not exist.
I don't know, I note not a few very gullible people right here. Ignorance is not confined to mere jail cells.
I equate "Atheism" as something that really does not exist. People who call themselves atheists are agnostics at best. A person who shakes his fist at GOD has a very hard time in my book pretending GOD does not exist.
I was talking about you and your claim.Maybe someone has statistics to back up their claim?
Ah, self-evident. So you don´t have anything to back it up?I'd say more likely this answer is fairly self evident.
So, do those who make those claims, back them up, so that you could provide at least those statistics?To see where any disparage might or might not be, one need only see other arguments regarding the so-called professor discrepancy so often used to justify atheistic beliefs.
I have been asking for at least three different studies for three different assertions your idea is founded upon, all of which would be of societal relevance.It is doubtful that the exact study you are looking for even exists, because it would be a study of a mere curiosity.
Sorry, I fail to understand what you are trying to say here. If it is an important point, would you please rephrase it for me?Thereby, the claims of the OP cannot be subject to reasonable discussion, if those gathered for discussion cannot derive reasonable conclusions from other available sources, and the question itself becomes a farce based upon how strongly those gathered deny that a particular point is simply attributed to positive assertion.
It´s more like I am trying to look closer into the matter.By the way, number 2, in which you close your eyes
Had someone claimed the opposite, I would have asked as well. It´s simply that I don´t believe such things just because a self-appointed authority makes an unsupported ex-cathedra claim. It´s well possible that there is a correlation. I just want to see the evidence.and doubt the wealth and educational discrepancy between those who are in prison and those who are not
Mindreading and appeal to one´s own wisdom in an attempt to distract from the apparent fact that you can´t back up your claims is not really a convincing contribution to the discussion.is fairly telling as to your motivation for denying the wisdom of my answer.
I don't talk or ask questions about Zeus. You seem to be hung-up here though.I don't shake my fist at your god anymore than you shake your fist at zeus.
Why would someone shake their fists at what they believe to be imaginary people?
I don't talk or ask questions about Zeus. You seem to be hung-up here though.
Not polite to misquote people. That is highly disrespectful and rude. You may paraphrase but not misquote if you desire to be respected yourself.
Straw men work both ways. The ancient Greeks are no more, and there were likely some among them that converted to Judaism. I cannot imagine that such was unheard of. Also it must be understood, that many "intellectual" Greeks accepted the "gods" to be little more than a social/city formality.If a whole load of ancient Greeks turned up and started trying to make laws in your country based on the commandments of Zeus, do you think you'd start asking questions then?
Straw men work both ways. The ancient Greeks are no more, and there were likely some among them that converted to Judaism. I cannot imagine that such was unheard of. Also it must be understood, that many "intellectual" Greeks accepted the "gods" to be little more than a social/city formality.
We'll use this to further the point without need to discuss the relevance of sources you may or may not decide to like. If you accept this, then I assert that it can also be used, without contradictory evidence to show a relative increase in atheism among those with more wealth and education. We also need to explore the positive assertion in order to further understand what we are dealing with:What's the average IQ in prisons? Is it lower than the IQ of the general population? It wouldn't surprise me if it were.
If so, remember that as IQ increases, so does the chance of leaving religion behind. See e.g. this and this. (Not the best sources, but there are many more out there.) Therefore it could have more to do with a correlation between crime and intelligence than religion and morality.
However, I do believe that religion doesn't make you more moral. The religious and the non-religious, globally speaking, seem to be pretty much on an even keel, in moral terms.
We'll use this to further the point without need to discuss the relevance of sources you may or may not decide to like. If you accept this, then I assert that it can also be used, without contradictory evidence to show a relative increase in atheism among those with more wealth and education.
This one.I was talking about you and your claim.
Ah, self-evident. So you don´t have anything to back it up?
So, do those who make those claims, back them up, so that you could provide at least those statistics?
I have been asking for at least three different studies for three different assertions your idea is founded upon, all of which would be of societal relevance.
Sorry, I fail to understand what you are trying to say here. If it is an important point, would you please rephrase it for me?
...What's the average IQ in prisons? Is it lower than the IQ of the general population? It wouldn't surprise me if it were.
If so, remember that as IQ increases, so does the chance of leaving religion behind. See e.g. this and this. (Not the best sources, but there are many more out there.) Therefore it could have more to do with a correlation between crime and intelligence than religion and morality.
However, I do believe that religion doesn't make you more moral. The religious and the non-religious, globally speaking, seem to be pretty much on an even keel, in moral terms.
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