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If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments
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Yes and you're trying to proselytize us against the rules. I wouldn't trust the statistics of any church your statement is based on or those of any religious organization. I've seen what goes on first hand.
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Not trying to proselytize, only stating historical and biblical truths. Sorry you have such a harden heart.
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Once saved always saved. So no matter what you do Jesus has to save you? So Jesus came to save us in our sin not from our sin.
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Heb 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
OOPPS so much for once saved always saved.
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1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
If we go by the law not one of us has a chance.
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You can determine if a church is the true Church by asking its members the following question...
Who is the head of your church?
If they give the name of a man or they bow down to a man, then it is not the true Church.
When Cornelius tried to bow down to Peter, Peter compelled him not to do so.
When John tried to bow down to the angel in the Book of Revelation, the angel compelled him not to do so.
Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church and His Holy Word takes precedent over the words of any man.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
I have already bowed down to Christ, and every person will do so in the end.
However, I will not bow down to a man made of the same flesh I am made of, no matter who he claims to be.
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Well what you're doing isn't debate nor discussion. You're bragging about your church to make people jealous and or bait them to considering it. You're saying a hard heart because I don't accept your .... well ideas.
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I'm not promoting once saved always saved nor that once saved an individual can live a life style of sin. Jesus has redeemed me from both the law and sin while offering me something you don't have - peace and rest for my soul under the NC you refuse to accept.
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What is this willful sin you seem to accuse me of? I have no fear of the judgment as I've already passed it and have eternal life according to Jesus (God, Himself) said in JN 5:24.
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Hello Bugkiller.
The context of Hebrews 10, is not turning your back on Jesus. This is the
willful sin that the author of Hebrews is discussing. If the author is referring
to everyday sin, which is usually willful, then heaven is empty.
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Sorry that you think I would suggest that. I was discussing the fact that if one sins they have lost their salvation, which isn't true. Turning your back on Jesus is forsaking grace for the law as indicated in Gal 5. Such is demonstrated for us by pro law group quoting I Cor 7:19 emphasizing what matters.
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Is that what the Westminster Confession of faith claims -- in your imagination?
What do the authors of the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- think is included in the "Commandments of God" -- the "Law of God"??
=================== an example of pro-Sunday scholarship affirming God's TEN Commandments
Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament
IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.
V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace
VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.
Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God
I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.Of the Law of God
II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament
IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.
V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace
VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.
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The men who wrote the Westminster Confession were attempting to make Reformed Covenant Theology work.
They ignored what the Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians chapter 3, which destroys that doctrine and likewise your doctrine as well.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
The verse above destroys modern Dispensational Theology, by showing that the promise made to Abraham was made only to Christ, who is the one seed.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
We see above that the law came 430 years "after" the promise to Abraham and it cannot disannul the promise to Abraham.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance does not come through the law.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The law was "added" because of transgressions "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
Paul just destroyed Reformed Covenant Theology, Dispensational Theology, and Adventist Theology in this one passage.
Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html
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You kind of lost me Bob, let's look at a couple of things:
Jesus said that was a new commandment so we are not really talking about the Mosaic Law, which bore witness to the righteousness that is by faith.
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My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
Jesus said that was a new commandment so we are not really talking about the Mosaic Law, which bore witness to the righteousness that is by faith.
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. (Romans 3:21)
Ok, I know what your thinking but there is a problem with the Law, not the Law but us:
I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. (Romans 7:10-12)
Everyone that encounters this contrast runs into the Sermon on the Mount, but how do we fulfill the Law:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5: 17-20)
We know some things about the Law, most importantly the Law is fulfilled in Christ. Here is a clue:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31)
When God took the Ark of the Covenant to heaven, never to return, inside was a copy of the Law written on stone. It's still there. The Law is not something achieved, it's received. I remember a billboard once that said, 'What part of Thou Shalt Not Did You Not Understand', I got a kick out of it. Pay particular attention to the last commandment, 'Thou Shalt Not Covet', I've always thought that was important.
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. (Col. 3:5,6)
Grace and peace,
Mark
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Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
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Jude 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Is this verse just blowing in the wind or can we claim it as a promise. If you cannot then you deny scripture. If Jesus is able to keep us from falling then why can't we claim OSAS? Why would some be so adamantly opposed to God's promise? I believe I have an answer, you are programed not to believe this promise just like you are programed to believe we must observe old covenant ritual laws.
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Is this verse just blowing in the wind or can we claim it as a promise. If you cannot then you deny scripture. If Jesus is able to keep us from falling then why can't we claim OSAS? Why would some be so adamantly opposed to God's promise? I believe I have an answer, you are programed not to believe this promise just like you are programed to believe we must observe old covenant ritual laws.
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Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!
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Receiving knowledge will not save anyone. Jesus saves and He forgives our wilful sins. He alone is able to keep us from falling. If this is not true then we are all lost because we all commit wilful sin.
Maybe you need to claim the promises and not get so high and mighty because you think you do not commit wilful sin because you try to keep the Israelite only defunct Sabbath.
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