If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[bugkiller]

This has nothing to do with the day that Yhwh set apart Himself, in the beginning,
nor does Jesus ever tell His disciples to observe a personal sabbath/rest on any other day.
Jesus tells His disciples no such thing, ever.

Sorry but YHWH did no such thing.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That was true then. Completely in Harmony with All Yhwh's Torah. (as they knew then).
Since man CHANGED the oral teachings, corrupted them, made them OPPOSED TO JESUS, made them OPPOSED TO TORAH,
that no longer holds true
of what is called "the oral teachings". No matter what anyone says, Yhwh says never accept what men say if they don't line up with Torah.
By disobeying Yhwh, that's how men came up with so much corruption not to be believed.

So what makes you think your copy of the Torah isn't also corrupted?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Billions upon billions of people have been completely deceived by "historical facts"
most especially
when those "facts" contradict Scripture.

Wonder how many have been deceived by refusing to accept historical facts?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Why not?
Why not indeed.
Because it (the whole religious system) is contradictory to Scripture.
i.e. it is not in Harmony with Jesus Life, Purpose, Practice, Salvation, or Plan.

Very close indeed but not totally.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yet Paul as we know was called and chosen by Yhwh,
and personally taught by Yeshua.

Later, however, came men who did 'change the law' (and the days) - willfully and foolishly being pawns of the prince of the power of the air (the devil).
This
was not unexpected. Yhwh had foretold it, and it happened exactly as Yhwh said .

When did this happen?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes. You were taught this.
Now,
or actually later,
if you are able to check everything in Scripture, as Yhwh says to,
and see why this so-called error-free church
is full of errors
directly contrary to Scripture,
perhaps something good will happen ?
Here are some people from the "error-free" church
to help >
http://www.reachingcatholics.org/rock.html
(yes, catholics reaching catholics)

Why are you attacking religion and not discussing the Scripture?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

But not Jesus' one Church which He founded upon Peter and His successors. .

"NO other foundation can any one lay than that which WAS laid" -- and what in your view - is that foundation?

 

[BobRyan]

Sure, if Paul think he can change the law I will readily accept he's a false prophet. I try to paint him in a pro-law way, saying he's only speaking against the oral law of the pharisees, but if he really does go against God's actual law I have no choice but to reject him based on Deuteronomy 13:1-5. There's numerous problems with Paul, look here.
http://www.problemswithpaul.com/

Before going to that drastic step - consider this.

2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death , which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness

It is the same LAW but in a different location: In the New Covenant it is not merely external - rather it is "written on the heart" -- that Law that Jeremiah and his readers would have known as the moral Law of God - Law that defines sin as even Romans 2:19-21 instructs -- and so also does 1 John 3:4 demand it.

NEW Covenant "I WILL WRITE MY LAW on their heart and mind" -- Jeremiah 31, Hebrews 8.

Thus ends the fallacy - of "imaginary law to be made up latter - written on stone instead of the Commandments on stone as written by the finger of God".

It is a not a "different Law" in that location -- rather it is a different location for that Law as known to Jeremiah.

 

[BobRyan]

I didn't say "the previous words" -- you are "quoting you" on that one.

I said that Christ never argues his Word against the Father - rather He claims that He speaks ONLY the words of the Father - and none of His own.

In the Bible - God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 - but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."

In the Bible - God says "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27 but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."


In the Bible God says "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4 -- but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."


In the Bible God says "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."

In the NT there is not a single quote of the 3rd commandment - saying not to take God's name in vain -- and you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle." -- as if the Sabbath is like it. But you are wrong in that the Sabbath commandment IS quoted in the NT - in places like Rev 14:7 and in Hebrews 4.

But the 3rd commandment (to not take God's name in vain) is never quoted at all in the NT - which means "nothing" of course since it is merely a "fluff rule" and not actual Bible exegesis that invents the idea of "deleting whatever is not repeating"

Rev 14:17 - -the Sabbath commandment quoted.
Acts 14:15 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
Acts 4:24 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 5:13 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 10:6 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Heb 4:9 - the Sabbath Commandment - commanded
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath MADE for MANKIND"
Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship"

Not even ONE example of that for the 3rd commandment to "not take God's name in vain"!!

Its not just the lack of the Sabbath command in the NT,

Sadly you skipped over the details.

but is also about the rest of the NT teaching. We see liberty from the Law in Galatians 5-6,

Just not in real life. In real life we have "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:7

And in Rom 8:4-9 it is only the lost that are at war with the Law of God.

Hence 1 John 5:3-4.

1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

This Sabbath rest which remains is for the faithful Christians and it is perpetual and it occurs for each faithful Christian after he dies.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!” rsv​

Rev 14 does not call death "the weekly Sabbath" --

And neither does the OT or NT.

And neither do the well-informed pro-sunday scholars.

Rather - Hebrews 4:9 says that the "Sabbath rest that REMAINS for the people of God" is the same one in Psalms 96 at the time of David!!

And neither does the RCC.

God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

not "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind die"

 

[BobRyan]

2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death , which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness

It is the same LAW but in a different location: In the New Covenant it is not merely external - rather it is "written on the heart" -- that Law that Jeremiah and his readers would have known as the moral Law of God - Law that defines sin as even Romans 2:19-21 instructs -- and so also does 1 John 3:4 demand it.

NEW Covenant "I WILL WRITE MY LAW on their heart and mind" -- Jeremiah 31, Hebrews 8.

Thus ends the fallacy - of "imaginary law to be made up latter - written on stone instead of the Commandments on stone as written by the finger of God".

It is a not a "different Law" in that location -- rather it is a different location for that Law as known to Jeremiah.

That is interesting. Same law?

Indeed same law different location.

And not a "different Law" in that external-on-stone location

Read the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 - the Law is on the heart and mind.

Read Exodus - where that same Law is on stone.

 

[W2L]

In the Bible - God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 - but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle.



In the Bible God says "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."

In the NT there is not a single quote of the 3rd commandment - saying not to take God's name in vain -- and you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle." -- as if the Sabbath is like it. But you are wrong in that the Sabbath commandment IS quoted in the NT - in places like Rev 14:7 and in Hebrews 4.

But the 3rd commandment (to not take God's name in vain) is never quoted at all in the NT - which means "nothing" of course since it is merely a "fluff rule" and not actual Bible exegesis that invents the idea of "deleting whatever is not repeating"

Rev 14:17 - -the Sabbath commandment quoted.
Acts 14:15 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
Acts 4:24 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 5:13 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 10:6 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Heb 4:9 - the Sabbath Commandment - commanded
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath MADE for MANKIND"
Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship"

Not even ONE example of that for the 3rd commandment to "not take God's name in vain"!!



Sadly you skipped over the details.




Just not in real life. In real life we have "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:7

And in Rom 8:4-9 it is only the lost that are at war with the Law of God.

Hence 1 John 5:3-4.

1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"



Rev 14 does not call death "the weekly Sabbath" --

And neither does the OT or NT.

And neither do the well-informed pro-sunday scholars.

Rather - Hebrews 4:9 says that the "Sabbath rest that REMAINS for the people of God" is the same one in Psalms 96 at the time of David!!

And neither does the RCC.

God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

not "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind die"

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:7

I understand Bob, I just don't see Sabbath commanded.
Its my opinion that Sabbath is shrouded in mystery. Hebrews talks about that mysterious day of rest, and I believe its quite possible that this is the Sabbath that God wants us to observe. I don't see Sabbath directly commanded anywhere and so I must assume that this Sabbath is not an actual day of the week. I don't think the Hebrews had a problem with the traditional OT Sabbath but I believe it may have been another Sabbath instead, and that what Hebrews is teaching, I think.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”e]'>[e]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

 

[Bob S]

I understand Bob, I just don't see Sabbath commanded.
Its my opinion that Sabbath is shrouded in mystery. Hebrews talks about that mysterious day of rest, and I believe its quite possible that this is the Sabbath that God wants us to observe. I don't see Sabbath directly commanded anywhere and so I must assume that this Sabbath is not an actual day of the week. I don't think the Hebrews had a problem with the traditional OT Sabbath but I believe it may have been another Sabbath instead, and that what Hebrews is teaching, I think.

Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh? The in the preceeding chapter we find Isaiah also referring to the new Earth. there we find him telling us that babies will be born and live out their lives. Man should live to be 100 or more. Bob refuses to discuss those points. He likes to take verses out of context and expect us to kowtow to them.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”e]'>[e]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

What we have to remember is that the writer of Hebrews is writing to Jews who already are or were Sabbath observers. So, in that light we will come to a different conclusion that those who use Heb 4 as scripture for new covenant believers to be Sabbath observant. The rest that remains for Christians is Jesus. He told us to come to Him for rest. We do that daily.

 

[W2L]

Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh? The in the preceeding chapter we find Isaiah also referring to the new Earth. there we find him telling us that babies will be born and live out their lives. Man should live to be 100 or more. Bob refuses to discuss those points. He likes to take verses out of context and expect us to kowtow to them.


Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”e]'>[e]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Yes it sounds like "today" is that day. It doesn't seem to be referring to any particular day of the week though. It seems that way anyhow.

 

[Bob S]

If the Sabbath truly is still in effect then Paul was an outright liar when he wrote 2Cor3:7-11. He wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary laws that guided Israel. Christians are guided by the power of the Holy Spirit. Old cold stones verses the Holy Spirit, Moses verses Jesus.

 

[BobRyan]

I understand Bob, I just don't see Sabbath commanded.

until you read this part of the Bible....

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4:9 - "Remains" from what it was in Psalms 96 - at the time of David

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

No wonder EVEN the OT scope for Sabbath is "ALL MANKIND"
"and from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23


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I think you meant to ASK --

Why is there more reference to Gentiles keeping the Sabbath in the NT than in the OT?

Why is there no reference to Jesus saying "do not take God's name in vain after the cross"

Why is there no reference to Jesus saying "Love God with all your heart" after the cross?

Why are there no weekly first-day meetings after the cross where Jesus says "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"??

Why are there no weekly first day meeting of the form "every week day 1" between Christ and his disciples after the cross?

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Now lets talk about what we DO have in the Bible -- for a change.


For those who read Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:11 pointing directly at the Gen 2:1-3 statement

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No wonder Christ said
"the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

No wonder EVEN the OT scope for Sabbath is "ALL MANKIND"
"and from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4:9 - "Remains" from what it was in Psalms 96 - at the time of David

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

With the Sabbath Commandment itself quoted from in the case of Rev 14:7


=========================== so then.

It is no wonder that EVEN the pro-sunday chrisian sources -- your own group -- are often found admitting to this key Bible fact that the Bible Sabbath Command applies even today - to all Christians under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism[/QUOTE]
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Its my opinion that Sabbath is shrouded in mystery.

Hebrews 4 - we are told that it is the SAME Sabbath of Psalms 96 that "REMAINS" for the people of God


Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Unchanged from what it was in Psalms 96

Eph 6:2 -- have you looked at that text?

 

[BobRyan]

If the Sabbath truly is still in effect then Paul was an outright liar when he wrote 2Cor3:7-11. He wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary laws .

No ... he did not.

As we already saw here -

2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death , which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness

It is the same LAW but in a different location: In the New Covenant it is not merely external - rather it is "written on the heart" -- that Law that Jeremiah and his readers would have known as the moral Law of God - Law that defines sin as even Romans 2:19-21 instructs -- and so also does 1 John 3:4 demand it.

NEW Covenant "I WILL WRITE MY LAW on their heart and mind" -- Jeremiah 31, Hebrews 8.

Thus ends the fallacy - of "imaginary law to be made up latter - written on stone instead of the Commandments on stone as written by the finger of God".

It is a not a "different Law" in that location -- rather it is a different location for that Law as known to Jeremiah.



Indeed same law different location.

And not a "different Law" in that external-on-stone location

Read the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 - the Law is on the heart and mind.

Read Exodus - where that same Law is on stone.

 

[BobRyan]

Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh?

Which does nothing at all to remove your war-against-the-Sabbath argument from its failure to survive Is 66:23 (which in this case you can't even bring yourself to quote) where we see that for all eternity after the cross -- all mankind will be keeping the Bible OT seventh day Sabbath.

Here then is the text you avoid quoting - while commenting on it.

No wonder EVEN the OT scope for Sabbath is "ALL MANKIND"
"and from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

Because the quote of the text demonstrates the point where your speculation against the Bible Sabbath - falls apart.

 

[W2L]

Eph 6:2 -- have you looked at that text?

I have considered the scriptures over the Sabbath before. I believe that the Sabbath rest is somehow observed by following the spirit. That's what I believe.

 

[Jan001]

Jesus does not allow my opinion.
He warns that everyone who trusts "faithful men's teachings" that contradict Scripture
they are cursed, not blessed.
Turn to Jesus to learn the Truth from God's Word.
Not from men.
Blessing, learn from Jesus;
or curse, trusting flesh(men).

You believe that your own personal interpretations/opinions of the Scriptures comprise the gospel of Jesus Christ. So do millions of other people believe that their own personal interpretations/opinions of the Scriptures comprise the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And that is why there are millions of different churches and/or individuals teaching different things which contradict what the other churches and other individuals are teaching.

Many of these pastors and/or individuals claim that the Holy Spirit is telling him/her the true meaning of the Scriptures and so they also believe that anyone who does not agree with his/her teaching is not obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ. Some of these people also believe that anyone who disagrees with him/her does not have the Holy Spirit living within them. They actually believe that they have the authority to judge what is in another person's heart. John 5:22, James 3:1, 2 Peter 3:16

I believe that Jesus founded only one Church with one faith and with one baptism as entrance into this one Church.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body (Church) and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. rsv

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I believe that Jesus gave His one Church a hierarchical structure and that He gave this one Church's hierarchy/leaders and their successors His authority to speak in His name. I believe that Jesus prevents His Church from teaching errors regarding faith and morals. If anyone disagrees with what this authorized hierarchy teaches, he is in error.

The hierarchy of Jesus' one Church

Matthew 16:17-19
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” rsv

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” niv

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. rsv

Ephesians 2:19-21
So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; rsv

Ephesians 4:10-12
He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, rsv​

Luke 10:16
He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” rsv

Matthew 18:15-18
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. rsv

Hebrews 13:7-10, 17
Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. 10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. ........17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you. nkjv

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The Apostle Paul instructs the Bishop Timothy

2 Timothy 2:2
and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. rsv

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The Apostle Paul instructs the Bishop Titus

Titus 2:11-15
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. 15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you. rsv
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Jesus and His apostles and their successors never commanded any one to go out and buy a Bible, decide what he thinks it means, and create a religion according to his own personal interpretations of the Bible's Scriptures.

Instead Jesus commanded everyone to listen to the Church's leaders and to do what the Church's hierarchy tells them to do.

Luke 10:16
He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” rsv​

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Eph 6:2 -- have you looked at that text?

I have considered the scriptures over the Sabbath before. I believe that the Sabbath rest is somehow observed by following the spirit. That's what I believe.

In what way do you see your preference in that regard addressing Ephesians 6:2??

you have free will - you can choose whatever you wish.