If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[Jan001]

It is not written Abraham did not keep Sabbath. He kept His commands his precepts and His charge. I believe that included the Holy Convocations.

Abraham was not ever under the law of Moses or the Sabbath laws of the Israelites. Christians are offspring of Abraham and so they are not under the law of Moses or the Sabbath laws of the Israelites. Christians are heirs according to faith, the promise given to Abraham, not according to the law of Moses.

Galatians 3:29
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not; for if a law had been given which could make alive, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the scripture consigned all things to sin, that what was promised to faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
rsv
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Where is that written in the scriptures, anywhere? That non Jews only keep some of the law? This is not sound doctrine, you keep all of it or none of it.

The Sabbath laws and the law of Moses came 430 years after God made His covenant with Abraham.

Galatians 3:16-18
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant (made to Abraham) previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise (made to Abraham) void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. rsv​

For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God's laws. James 2:10

James is not teaching about the law of Moses. James is teaching about the royal law of liberty/grace which is, "You shall love your neighbors as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor. Murder and adultery do harm to our neighbor and so they are forbidden by the law of Christ. Romans 13:10, [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+6:2&version=RSV']Galatians 6:2[/URL]

James 2:1-13
My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man with gold rings and in fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “Have a seat here, please,” while you say to the poor man, “Stand there,” or, “Sit at my feet,” 4 have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brethren. Has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you, is it not they who drag you into court? 7 Is it not they who blaspheme the honorable name which was invoked over you?
If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. 9 But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” said also, “Do not kill.” If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy; yet mercy triumphs over judgment. rsv

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Where does it say you only keep 9 of the commandments? That is s rebellious heart, that is a lie from the beginning. Did Satan not say that Eve did not have to keep Gods word? It's the same snare and trap. Sin is transgression of Gods law. God cannot reside with a rebellious people who thinks His instructions are a legalistic burden. He is perferct, His ways are perfect and He does not change. Paul kept Sabbath and the Holy Convocations, these are Gods days He must have a purpose for creating them the way He did. We should not lean on our own understanding.

Paul stated that he was not under the law of Moses (and the laws given to Moses included the Sabbath laws).

Romans 6:15
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! rsv

Romans 7:6
But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. rsv

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law—though not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. rsv

Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them.” rsv

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— rsv​

Melchizedek was the priest at the time of Abraham. Genesis 14:10-21 Jesus Christ is now high priest of the order of Melchizedek. The law of Moses required a Levitical priesthood. When Jesus Christ became high priest, the Levitical priesthood was made obsolete and the law of Moses was set aside/no longer in force.

Hebrews 7:11-13
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levit′ical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchiz′edek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. 13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchiz′edek, 16 who has become a priest, not according to a legal requirement concerning bodily descent but by the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is witnessed of him,

“Thou art a priest for ever,
after the order of Melchiz′edek.”

18 On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God
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The law of Moses was not added until the Israelites sinned in the desert. At first, the Israelites were given the Ten Commandments. But, while Moses was up on the mountain receiving them, the Israelites were making a golden calf to worship.

Exodus 34:28
And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. rsv​

Deuteronomy 4:13
And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. rsv

Galatians 3:19
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary. rsv
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The first/old covenant was a type of slavery put upon the Israelites by God because of their disobedience in the desert. Peter states that the law of Moses was like a yoke put upon their necks which neither their fathers nor they had been able to bear.

Acts 15:5-11
So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoeni′cia and Samar′ia, reporting the conversion of the Gentiles, and they gave great joy to all the brethren. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up, and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us; 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” rsv

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. rsv

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So, therefore I choose to be under the law of grace/law of liberty instead of under the law of Moses.

James 2:12
So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. rsv​

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[Jan001]

Jesus, Yhwh's Word,
is the Judge.
Yet some continue to follow men who oppose Jesus, who Jesus says to beware their teachings(do not believe them), because they oppose God.

John 9:41
KJ21
Jesus said unto them, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin; but now ye say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remaineth.

Hebrews 7:17
On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. rsv​

 

[Jan001]

Don't drop the mic yet Bob

Genesis 26:4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” What laws were these Bob?

The Sabbath was instituted at creation. In Exodus 20 the commandments were written on stone and given to Israel, yet in Exodus 16 they were commanded to gather manna for the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’” 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day. The law was not given yet, what law were they keeping?

It is true that God rested/sabbathed on the seventh day after the creation of the physical world. There is no mention of a Sabbath rest required for Adam or for any man until the Israelite's sojourn in the desert. You assume that Abraham was commanded to keep a Sabbath rest, but the Scriptures do not state this.

 

[Jan001]

Genisis 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

The promise of justification by faith was made to the Gentile Abram/Abraham before he was circumcised. Gentiles who were justified by faith had no need to become circumcised.

 

[Jan001]

Everyone seems to agree in this post - that Jesus is our judge.



1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

not all Christians will choose to be at war against the teaching of Christ as Paul points out in Romans 8:4-9

Hebrews 7:18-19
On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. rsv


Galatians 3:11-14
Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for “He who through faith is righteous shall live”; 12 but the law does not rest on faith, for “He who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— 14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.​

 

[Bob S]

It is true that God rested/sabbathed on the seventh day after the creation of the physical world. There is no mention of a Sabbath rest required for Adam or for any man until the Israelite's sojourn in the desert. You assume that Abraham was commanded to keep a Sabbath rest, but the Scriptures do not state this.

When the Israelites fled out of Egypt they surely didn't stop to rest on the Sabbath. Had the command been given for all the Earth to observe the Sabbath before, Moses would have been obligated to rest while on their journey to the Red Sea.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When the Israelites fled out of Egypt they surely didn't stop to rest on the Sabbath. Had the command been given for all the Earth to observe the Sabbath before, Moses would have been obligated to rest while on their journey to the Red Sea.

Good subject for research and another thread.
Remember Moses and the Israelites did not move unless the angel of the Lord moved - the cloud by day, and the fire by night.
The army of egypt was prevented from attacking Israel by the angel of the Lord in Exodus - the army was stopped in their tracks until God let them through, and then they drowned.

 

[1John2:4]

Well, we certainly know that they were not Torah given only to Israel Deut 5:2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

Think you are confused between instructions (law) and covenants.

 

[1John2:4]

Again, the problem is that you don't answer our questions. You keep reiterating the same excuses.

What excuses, you are the one when I ask a question if it is biblical you beat around the bush and after I have asked it several times you say no it's not biblical. That happened 2 times debating with you. Once when I asked where the separation of moral and ceremonial and again when I asked about the prophets saying God would do away with his instructions. You gave me some film flam and then finally admitted it was not biblical.

 

[1John2:4]

I find that when some of you old covenant followers get backed into a corner and cannot really answer our questions then the attack mode starts.

Again you are the one backed into a corner admitting your doctrine is not biblical

 

[1John2:4]

The person is telling you what he believes to be true. Instead of chastising him for telling you what he thinks, maybe you should take what he wrote to heart. You judge him on the basis that he is not practicing

What he said was not nice, it had nothing to do with my doctrine. I am telling you the truth, I see you bite many people on this forum especially SDAs. You cruelly attack us calling us law thumpers, name call, and say hurtful things. Even lulav who was very kind to you with her post you devoured her with your words. Maybe you should not judge them. I see or feel no love in your posts just anger, maybe you should be more kind to people.

 

[Bob S]

Think you are confused between instructions (law) and covenants.

Very interesting answer Jn. Would you care to explain the difference for all of us who are confused? Moses in Deut 5 goes on to quote the 10 commandments. Are they not laws and are they not in the book of the law? God said the following which ties in the covenant with His laws to Israel:
Leviticus 26:14-16New International Version (NIV)
Punishment for Disobedience
14 “‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.

 

[Bob S]

What he said was not nice, it had nothing to do with my doctrine. I am telling you the truth, I see you bite many people on this forum especially SDAs. You cruelly attack us calling us law thumpers, name call, and say hurtful things. Even lulav who was very kind to you with her post you devoured her with your words. Maybe you should not judge them. I see or feel no love in your posts just anger, maybe you should be more kind to people.

W2L wrote;
"Well, I find your arguments a little weak too. No offence."

You tell him what he said was not nice??? Boy, maybe you should take a break. This is a forum. W2L made a point. You can either take it for what it is worth, get angry, make excuses or whatever. Don't let anyone, including me, get to you John. I can see that you are a student of old covenant scripture and you are dealing with new covenant believers. I was once an old covenant thumper that has since studied my way out of those beliefs. Sure I would like for you to see things according to the new testament, but my main objective is to those who are reading both sides and trying to make a decision. You know I use scripture to lay out my beliefs.

Telling those who spread the doctrine of the old covenant as being relevant to Christianity law thumpers is in no way cruelty. Yep, I could have used other adjectives, but I didn't. If it were cruel, I would be removed from the forum. I speak the truth and if you believe it is hurtful then You will have to live with it friend. Lulav was apologized to and then would not acknowledge my apology.. Yes, I was harsh with her, but at least she could have forgiven me instead she decided not to respond. I take her unresponsiveness as not being able to answer hard questions and I hold no grudges towards anyone to whom I have responded.

 

[BobRyan]

Everyone seems to agree in this post - that Jesus is our judge.

Exactly, and that's true of you as well.

1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

not all Christians will choose to be at war against the teaching of Christ as Paul points out in Romans 8:4-9

Hebrews 7:18-19
On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. rsv
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Hebrews 7 is specifically talking about the laws of the priesthood and the fact that Christ is not a priest according to the Bible law of priests. Because in Heb 8:1-5 Paul is about to tell us that the "MAIN POINT" is that in heaven - Christ IS our high priest.

Bible Details matter.

Galatians 3:11-14
Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for “He who through faith is righteous shall live”; 12 but the law does not rest on faith, for “He who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— 14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

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Gal 3 is talking about the fact that nobody will be going to heaven apart from the Gospel - apart from forgiveness of sins. You circle back to a point not even in controversy as if that helps your overall war against the Commandments of God. (A war you take on needlessly as a Catholic because even your own church demands that you not be at war against the TEN Commandments)

But it does not serve any purpose to take a point not-in-dispute as if you have won the point by observing no dispute on that point.

 

[Jan001]

When the Israelites fled out of Egypt they surely didn't stop to rest on the Sabbath. Had the command been given for all the Earth to observe the Sabbath before, Moses would have been obligated to rest while on their journey to the Red Sea.

 

[Jan001]

Hebrews 7 is specifically talking about the laws of the priesthood and the fact that Christ is not a priest according to the Bible law of priests. Because in Heb 8:1-5 Paul is about to tell us that the "MAIN POINT" is that in heaven - Christ IS our high priest.

Bible Details matter.​

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Christ is our high priest right now. There is now no need for the Levitical priesthood which is an integral part of the Old Covenant. For a priesthood covenant of this type to be in force, it must have a functioning, valid priesthood. The Old Covenant with its Levitical priesthood was set aside when Jesus became high priest in the line of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:11-25
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levit′ical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchiz′edek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. 13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchiz′edek, 16 who has become a priest, not according to a legal requirement concerning bodily descent but by the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is witnessed of him,
“Thou art a priest for ever,
after the order of Melchiz′edek.”

18 On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
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The law (commandment) of Moses was set aside.

20 And it was not without an oath. 21 Those who formerly became priests took their office without an oath, but this one was addressed with an oath,
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
‘Thou art a priest for ever.’”

22 This makes Jesus the surety of a better covenant.

23 The former (Levitical) priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office; 24 but (Jesus) he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever. 25 Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. rsv
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Are you under the law of Moses or are you under the law of grace/Christ/liberty? I am not under the law of Moses. I am under the law of grace/Christ/liberty.

It seems to me that you are trying to be under both! This is not possible!

Romans 6:14-16
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law (of Moses) but under grace. 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? rsv

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. rsv​

Gal 3 is talking about the fact that nobody will be going to heaven apart from the Gospel - apart from forgiveness of sins. You circle back to a point not even in controversy as if that helps your overall war against the Commandments of God. (A war you take on needlessly as a Catholic because even your own church demands that you not be at war against the TEN Commandments)

But it does not serve any purpose to take a point not-in-dispute as if you have won the point by observing no dispute on that point.

I am not at war with the Catholic Church. I have told you more than once that we Catholics have our own Ten Commandments for the New Covenant and that they do not follow exactly the Ten Commandments of the Old Covenant. You obstinately refuse to admit this as fact.

The Ten Commandments for Catholics as shown on the Vatican website:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

The Israelite Ten Commandments are recorded in Deuteronomy 5:6-21

The Catholic Ten Commandments are based on the Deuteronomy list except the Sabbath observance on Saturday has been replaced with worship on the Lord's Day, Sunday, the first day of the week.

Catholic Ten Commandments

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.

2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.

(Please note that there is no mention of the Sabbath observance in the Catholic Ten Commandments.)

4. Honor your father and your mother.

5. You shall not kill.

6. You shall not commit adultery.

7. You shall not steal.

8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

(Please stop declaring that I am at war with the Catholic Church. This is not true.)

9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.​

We know for fact that the apostles and the early Christians worshiped God on the first day of the week and that they called the first day of the week, the Lord's Day. Obviously, they did this because Jesus Christ told them to worship God on the first day of the week!

Acts 20:7

[URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+16:2&version=RSV']1 Corinthians 16:2

Revelation 1:10[/URL]

 

[Travis93]

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.

2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.

(Please note that there is no mention of the Sabbath observance in the Catholic Ten Commandments.)

4. Honor your father and your mother.

5. You shall not kill.

6. You shall not commit adultery.

7. You shall not steal.

8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

(Please stop declaring that I am at war with the Catholic Church. This is not true.)

9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.​

I'm confused by that list, what happened to:
Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

God doesn't want people to make graven images of other gods or even of himself, which is why he didn't show them what he looks like:
Deuteronomy 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:
Deuteronomy 4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
Deuteronomy 4:17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
Deuteronomy 4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Even bringing one into your house without bowing to it is a curse.
Deuteronomy 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

It's reiterated in Acts:
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello Bob.

I was reading the SDA website (sdanet.org) Bob, in order to understand the SDA usage of the term
'ceremonial law'. I became aware that the SDA refers to all of the law other than the ten commandments,
proclaimed at Mt Sinai, as 'ceremonial law'. Here is what the SDA website stated, this is how the SDA uses
the term 'ceremonial law', Bob.

This ceremonial law embraced the types and shadows that entered into the sacrificial system of Israel.
All the sacrificial offerings, the feast days, and even the priesthood—all that was typical of the sacrifice
and ministry of Christ our Lord, met its end on Calvary's cross. This we believe is what is meant by the
apostle Paul when he wrote that Christ "abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments
contained in ordinances", [Eph. 2:15]. (sdanet.org)

Do you accept what the SDA wrote above, does 'ceremonial law' accurately describe the other laws given at Mt Sinai?

Do you accept that the so called 'ceremonial law' actually includes criminal, civil, and even moral law?

In case you need the defintion of 'ceremonial law', I included the definition below to save you checking the definition.

Ceremonial
The system of rules and procedures to be observed at a formal or religious occasion.

There are a multitude of laws that have nothing to do with religious rites, feast days, or even sacrificial rites.

The SDA is providing a very misleading and erroneous interpretation of this text (Ephesians 2:15). The onus is on you
Bob to correct the SDA, unless of course you believe that, child prostitution, sorcery, incest, physical assualt, e.t.c, are
in fact 'ceremonial law'. Also the term 'ceremonial law' is not even in the scripture.

I could never be a paid up member of any organization, that is so reckless and misleading in their treatment of the scripture. Are you aware of what the SDA wrote above, Bob?

 

[Travis93]

The Bible indeed makes no such distinction between "ceremonial" and other laws. In 1 Peter 1:18 when it says "
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." it's quoting from the food laws (Leviticus 11:44), laws concerning sexual immorality and idolatry (Leviticus 20:7), and laws about loving your neighbor (Leviticus 19:2). All aspects of the law are important to God, not just the ones that happen to match our humanistic ideas about morality.

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[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

I was reading the SDA website (sdanet.org) Bob, in order to understand the SDA usage of the term
'ceremonial law'. I became aware that the SDA refers to all of the law other than the ten commandments,
proclaimed at Mt Sinai, as 'ceremonial law'. Here is what the SDA website stated, this is how the SDA uses
the term 'ceremonial law', Bob.

This ceremonial law embraced the types and shadows that entered into the sacrificial system of Israel.
All the sacrificial offerings, the feast days, and even the priesthood—all that was typical of the sacrifice
and ministry of Christ our Lord, met its end on Calvary's cross. This we believe is what is meant by the
apostle Paul when he wrote that Christ "abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments
contained in ordinances", [Eph. 2:15]. (sdanet.org)

Do you accept what the SDA wrote above, does 'ceremonial law' accurately describe the other laws given at Mt Sinai?

You use the your own phrase "all of the law other than the ten commandments" in your quote of 'you'.

But then in the actual SDAnet.org quote you only have " ceremonial law embraced the types and shadows that entered into the sacrificial system"

If you are asking whether I affirm the sdanet.org statement as being correct - I much prefer it to your own "all the law other than the Ten Commandments"

Was that some sort of trick question?

Notice this - from one of your own pro-sunday groups. The "Westminster Confession of Faith"

So then what would be an example of such pro-Sunday scholarship that pertains to the 7 point summary list just posted?

Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19

"Westminster Confession of Faith"

Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God​

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

​

Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1.

Notice that your own group says this --


II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.