If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

bbbbbbb · Jul 17, 2016

Travis93 said:
I reject your interpretation of it. I see Jeremiah's new covenant as being with the house of Israel and Judah only, not unconverted gentiles, and I see the law being written on their heart, not being abolished. Here's a parallel prophesy from Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Does this sound like abolishing the law to you?

I reject Reform Judaism which is precisely what your view sounds like to me.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 17, 2016

Travis93 said:
I see the law being written on their heart, not being abolished.

Jesus says this too.

Travis93 said:
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This sounds like God's Promise to us in Christ !
Is it at all related to reform Judaism ? (I never heard that)
(and even if reform Judaism is similar like this,
that wouldn't invalidate God's Promise ! )

BobRyan · Jul 17, 2016

BobRyan said:
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

bugkiller said:
Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Jan001 · Jul 18, 2016

Travis93 said:
I have read the whole Bible front to back. As soon as the law was established, God said not to change it. Prophet after prophet was sent telling them to stopping breaking the law. I cannot accept that it would be done away with.

Hi Travis,

The Law of Moses was a yoke around the Israelites'/Jews' necks to train them to obey God. They received this yoke because of their hardheartedness at Mt. Sinai when they made the golden calf and worshiped it. God had freed the Israelites from the yoke of slavery put on them by the Egyptians, and then the Israelites repaid God by making and worshiping a golden calf idol instead of worshiping Him! Instead of destroying them like He desired to do, God had mercy upon them and made a covenant with them (Law of Moses) in order for them to remain His people. Exodus 32

The purpose of the Law of Moses was to train the Israelites to obey God and for them to give good example to the Gentile nations. The Israelites escaped from the slavery put on them by the Egyptians, but because of their disobedience, God then enslaved them to the written rituals of the Law of Moses.

The Israelites continually disobeyed God and thereby they continually broke their first covenant with God which brought God's curses down upon them (war and death, exile as slaves to foreign lands, displacement from their homeland, etc.).

Hosea 8:1
Set the trumpet to your lips, for a vulture is over the house of the Lord, because they have broken my covenant, and transgressed my law. rsv

Unfortunately for the Israelites, no human being could remove/end this yoke of slavery (written Law of Moses) for these Israelites/Jews, and so when it was the acceptable time, God sent His Son Jesus to personally remove this yoke of slavery from them.

The word fulfill is a key to understanding why the Law of Moses is no longer valid for God's people after Jesus died on the cross.

Jesus came to earth to do two things that no other human could ever do. One of the things Jesus came to earth to do was to fulfill the Law of Moses perfectly so that the written Law of Moses could be finished/completed and no longer needed.

Romans 9:31
but that Israel who pursued the righteousness which is based on law did not succeed in fulfilling that law. rsv

Matthew 5:17
“Think not that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. rsv

Jesus did not come to earth to abolish the Law of Moses. Jesus came to earth to fulfill the Law of Moses. Jesus came to earth to finish the Law of Moses and thereby free the Israelites/Jews from the yoke/slavery of the required written rituals of the Law of Moses.

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? rsv

Jesus fulfilled every requirement of the Law of Moses perfectly and therefore He completed/finished/fulfilled the Law of Moses. Once a covenant is finished. It is no longer valid/binding.

For example: when a Christian man and a Christian woman marry each other, they enter into a covenant relationship which cannot be broken until one of them dies. They have made a vow to be married/faithful to each other until death. When one of the persons dies, the covenant is finished. They were bound by their covenant until it was fulfilled/finished by death. They remained faithfully married to each other until one of them died. Their covenant was fulfilled/finished when one of the persons died. The person who is still living on earth is then free to make another covenant of marriage with another person.

Why did Jesus come to earth?

Jesus came to earth to repair the spiritual relationship with humankind that Adam had severed with God because of his disobedience to God's command in the garden in Eden.

Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. rsv

Jesus also came to earth to offer Himself as a perfect sacrifice to fulfill/finish the first covenant with the Israelites (Law of Moses) with its required animal sacrifices and its other written required rituals.

Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, “These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled.” rsv

Jesus fulfilled everything written about Him in the Law of Moses.

Some examples of the fulfillment of these written things are listed here.

Jesus, immediately before He died on the cross, told His Father that the first Covenant/Law of Moses with the Israelites/Jews was now finished/fulfilled.

John 19:28
After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfil the scripture), “I thirst.” rsv

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. rsv

Jesus finished/completed the written ritual Law of Moses by His perfect sacrificial death on the cross. The Israelites/Jews are no longer enslaved by the required rituals that are written in the Law of Moses.

Luke 16:16
“The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently. rsv

Matthew 10:5-7
These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ rsv

That would mean for over a thousand years God had a law that was pointless, then decided it was flawed and did away with it. On top of that, it would mean he told people not to follow those who go against the law, and then raised a prophet to do just that. It would invalidate several prophesies such as the whole world coming to learn the law (Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:2-3) and the continuing observance of the feasts (Zechariah 14:16, Ezekiel 46:3). I now understand why most Jews have rejected Christianity for almost 2000 years, they are following the commandment of God (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

I will address this in another post.

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

Jan001 said:
Hi Travis,

The Law of Moses was a yoke around the Israelites'/Jews' necks to train them to obey God. They received this yoke because of their hardheartedness at Mt. Sinai when they made the golden calf and worshiped it. God had freed the Israelites from the yoke of slavery put on them by the Egyptians, and then the Israelites repaid God by making and worshiping a golden calf idol instead of worshiping Him! Instead of destroying them like He desired to do, God had mercy upon them and made a covenant with them (Law of Moses) in order for them to remain His people. Exodus 32

The purpose of the Law of Moses was to train the Israelites to obey God and for them to give good example to the Gentile nations. The Israelites escaped from the slavery put on them by the Egyptians, but because of their disobedience, God then enslaved them to the written rituals of the Law of Moses.

...

Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, “These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled.” rsv

Luke 24:27 "27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures."

Mark 7:6-13
Where GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of Law vs traditions of man. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

"Moses said" = "Word of God" = "Commandment of God" and going against it - invalidates worship according to God - in Mark 7.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

(What is more - your own RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are still binding on the saints today)

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

bugkiller said:
What does "not according to " mean? To me it means something different.

bugkiller

At no point does Jer 31:31-33 delete scripture nor does the text say "I will write some new law, not yet invented, on your heart" - as we can all clearly see.

The irrefutable point remains.

Travis93 · Jul 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
At no point does Jer 31:31-33 delete scripture nor does the text say "I will write some new law, not yet invented, on your heart" - as we can all clearly see.

The irrefutable point remains.

Nor does it say anything about making the covenant with gentiles, only Israel and Judah. If someone tries to claim certain laws are "just for Israel" then they don't want any part in the covenant.

Jan001 · Jul 18, 2016

Travis wrote:
It would invalidate several prophesies such as the whole world coming to learn the law (Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:2-3) and the continuing observance of the feasts (Zechariah 14:16, Ezekiel 46:3). I now understand why most Jews have rejected Christianity for almost 2000 years, they are following the commandment of God (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Isaiah 2:2-3
It shall come to pass in the latter days
that the mountain of the house of the Lord
shall be established as the highest of the mountains,
and shall be raised above the hills;
and all the nations shall flow to it,
3 and many peoples shall come, and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. rsv

Mt. Zion was the highest point/mountain in ancient Jerusalem.
Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. The mountain [Mount Zion] of the house of the Lord is His Church.

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel. rsv

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. rsv

Matthew 18:15-18
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. rsv

The Law of Moses (walking according to the works of the flesh) will not save us. Walking according to the Spirit's grace within us will save us.

Romans 8:3-5
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. rsv

Jesus sends out His apostles/disciples from Jerusalem to make disciples for Him and to teach them all that He commanded them to do.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” niv

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Micah 4:2-3
and many nations shall come, and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He shall judge between many peoples,
and shall decide for strong nations afar off;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruning hooks;
nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more; rsv

The Church is Jesus' established authority on earth. Jesus appointed leaders for His Church and He sent them out to make disciples for Him. Most of the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah, but Jesus also sent the apostles and disciples to other nations to convert the Gentiles to His Church.

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Zechariah 14:16
Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths.

Zechariah 14 "is likely a figurative depiction of the history of spiritual “Jerusalem” (the church), from the time of its commencement on the day of Pentecost throughout the Christian age."
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/120-dispensationalism-and-zechariah-14

What was the purpose of the Feast of Tabernacles / Booths / Sukkot?

"During the days of the feast all native Israelites were “to dwell in booths” to remind them that God delivered them out of the “land of Egypt” and to look forward to the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would deliver His people from the bondage of sin. The Feast of Tabernacles begins and ends with a special Sabbath day of rest."
http://www.gotquestions.org/Feast-of-Tabernacles.html

After Jesus the Messiah returns at His second coming, all His people will be at rest from all their labors.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!” rsv

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Ezekiel 46:2-4
The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. 3 The people of the land shall worship at the entrance of that gate before the Lord on the sabbaths and on the new moons. 4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the Lord on the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish; rsv

Christians will not revert to offering burnt animal sacrifices to God. How terribly insulting that would be!

Hebrews 10:26-30
For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” rsv

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Deuteronomy 13:1-5
If a prophet arises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder which he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him, and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and cleave to him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from the midst of you. rsv

This applies only to the OT Israelites/Jews. The prophets of the OT ended with John the Baptist. Jesus who is the Son of God is the Prophet and Mediator of the NT.

Luke 16:16
“The Law and the Prophets were preached until John. Since then the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. rsv

Luke 13:33
Nevertheless I [Jesus] must travel today and tomorrow and the day following. For it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside Jerusalem.

Jesus' perfect offering to His Father of Himself on the cross redeemed the Israelites/Jews from the slavery/bondage of the Law of Moses.

Galatians 4:4-6
But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” rsv

The spirit of the Law of Moses is sometimes called the law of liberty and it is this law that Jesus commands all Christians to obey.

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.”

James 2:12
So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. rsv

James 2:8
If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. rsv

Are you under the law of Moses or are you under the law of grace? You cannot be under both of them.

Romans 6:13-18
Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. rsv

Cribstyl · Jul 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
At no point does Jer 31:31-33 delete scripture nor does the text say "I will write some new law, not yet invented, on your heart" - as we can all clearly see.

The irrefutable point remains.

Batter UP
We don't expect you to explain truth from scriptures you present:
Strike #1. That the Old Covenant is the law and God is promising a new covenant.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

We don't expect you to explain truth:
Strike#2. That God spells out clearly that the New Covenant would not be like the Old Covenant. You have not spelled out how the children of Israel broke it.
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

We don't expect you to explain the truth:
Strike#3. How you get the covenant that was written on stone, to now become written on your heart when God promised a new covenant which He also said is unlike the first.

YOU'RE OUT!!!!!!!

Jan001 · Jul 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
Luke 24:27 "27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures."

Mark 7:6-13
Where GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of Law vs traditions of man. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

"Moses said" = "Word of God" = "Commandment of God" and going against it - invalidates worship according to God - in Mark 7.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

(What is more - your own RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are still binding on the saints today)

What is the one commandment of God which was commanded from the beginning, and which was commanded during the time period of the Law of Moses, and which is still commanded today even after Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and which will remain as a commandment until Jesus returns at His second coming?

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv

FYI: The Catholic 10 Commandments do not list the Sabbath day as a commandment. Keeping Holy the Lord's Day is commanded. Jesus commanded the apostles to worship Him on the first day of the week and the Catholic 10 Commandments reflect this command.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” niv

The Christians gathered together to worship on the first day of the week. Obviously, Jesus commanded them to gather together for worship on the first day of the week because this is what Scripture tells us that they did. At their worship gatherings on the first day of the week, they collected money from those at the gatherings in order to save them for Paul to give to him when he came to worship with them on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and he prolonged his speech until midnight. rsv

1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come. rsv

Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

Do you keep all the commandments regarding the Sabbath day or do you choose only some of them? Do you know that the Gentiles were never commanded to keep the Sabbath or any of the other ritual commandments written in the Law of Moses? The Jews who became Christians gave up their old ways.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. rsv

Your repetition of the Scripture verses regarding your understanding of tradition are not valid for me.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. rsv

There was no tradition of a Sabbath command for man to keep the Sabbath until Moses' generation. We Christians are not sons and daughters of Moses.

We faithful Christians are the sons and daughters of Abraham and God never commanded a Sabbath for him on the seventh day of the week and God has not commanded a Sabbath for Abraham's sons and daughters of faith.

Galatians 3:7
So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham. rsv

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

Jan001 said:
What is the one commandment of God which was commanded from the beginning, and which was commanded during the time period of the Law of Moses, and which is still commanded today even after Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and which will remain as a commandment until Jesus returns at His second coming?

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv

Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"

in Matt 22 Christ said that "all the LAW and the Prophets" rest on this immovable solid-rock foundation.

FYI: The Catholic 10 Commandments do not list the Sabbath day as a commandment. Keeping Holy the Lord's Day is commanded. Jesus commanded the apostles to worship Him on the first day of the week and the Catholic 10 Commandments reflect this command.

1. The Catholics claim there are still TEN Commandments and not NINE.
2. Dies Domini - Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN commandments given to mankind in the OT are not limited to Jews but are applicable to all mankind -- even to modern times.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” niv

Luke 24:27 teaching them beginning with Moses and the prophets -- from all of scripture.

No wonder then -- even the RCC affirms all TEN of God's TEN Commandments.

BobRyan said:
Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

Here Pope John Paul argues two points in his document "Dies Domini"

1. That the TEN Commandments (all TEN... not just NINE ) still remain. What does that mean about the SABBATH Commandment? gone - or remains? or bent to point to??

2. In the second quote John Paul II Refers to the OT Sabbath as the LORD's Day -

Pope John Paul II

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.

Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

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The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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In these quotes we see "TEN Commandments" and "DECALOGUE" not "630"

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

these Catholic Catechism statements seem to support what John Paul II and what "The Faith Explained" have said in their two points above --

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.=========

Key question:

In legal terms - what does it mean to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

Jan001 said:
The Christians gathered together to worship on the first day of the week. Obviously, Jesus commanded them to gather together for worship on the first day of the week because this is what Scripture tells us that they did.

The bible does describe Sabbath after Sabbath after SABBATH - weekly services and even "EVERY Sabbath" services where both Jews AND Gentiles gather for GOSPEL sermons/teaching .. in Acts 18:4, Acts 17:4 and in Acts 13.

NOT ONE instance of such a thing for week-day-1.

Not ONE command to gather for worship every week-day-1 in the Bible.

Not ONE statement in the NT saying "week-day-1 is holy"

Not ONE statement in the NT saying "week-day-1 is the LORD's Day"

Not ONE statement in the NT saying "they gathered to break bread every week-day-1".

Not ONE statement in the NT saying "week-day-1 is the new Sabbath for Christians".

not ONE statement saying "there is a week-day-1 rest for the people of God" yet in Heb 4 "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH REST for the people of God" -- remains as it was in Psalms 95 according to Hebrew 4.

Not ONE statement in the NT "week-day-1 was MADE for MANKIND" - yet Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND".

Not ONE statement in NT or OT saying "From week-day-1 to week-day-1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - yet in ISAIAH 66:23 "From SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

And we all know it.

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Well then -- what DO we have for week-day-1 since the Sabbath has "EVERY SABBATH" they gather for Gospel preaching - what do we have for week-day-1? Let's see

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and he prolonged his speech until midnight. rsv

1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come. rsv

In Acts 20 -- there is no gathering / no worship service at all mentioned in the text for week-day-1.
In 1 Cor 16-- they give a REASON for their once-and-only meeting on week-day-1 --- Paul is departing the next day.

Jan001 said:
Your repetition of the Scripture verses regarding your understanding of tradition are not valid for me.

Let's watch how that sort of retort would have been soo very helpful to the Jews in their opposition to Christ in Mark 7:6-13

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

bugkiller · Jul 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
At no point does Jer 31:31-33 delete scripture nor does the text say "I will write some new law, not yet invented, on your heart" - as we can all clearly see.

The irrefutable point remains.

I didn't say it did. Jan's post above does a very good job since you refuse to listen to me.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 18, 2016

Travis93 said:
Nor does it say anything about making the covenant with gentiles, only Israel and Judah. If someone tries to claim certain laws are "just for Israel" then they don't want any part in the covenant.

While Acts easily shows gentiles are included in the NC as promised to Abraham.

bugkiller

BobRyan · Jul 19, 2016

bugkiller said:
While Acts easily shows gentiles are included in the NC as promised to Abraham.
bugkiller

Yes they are, so deleting everything that says "to the house of Israel" as if no gentile can be included - simply does not work in the actual Bible, because believing gentiles are often included in those same promises when it comes to worship and eternal life.

Jan001 · Jul 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"

in Matt 22 Christ said that "all the LAW and the Prophets" rest on this immovable solid-rock foundation.

Christ also said that the Law and Prophets were until John.

Luke 16:16
“The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. nkjv

Jesus stated that John's prophesying came to an end, and now everyone is hearing about the kingdom of God and they are pressing into this kingdom of God. Those members in the kingdom of God do not remain in observance of the Law.

1. The Catholics claim there are still TEN Commandments and not NINE.
2. Dies Domini - Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN commandments given to mankind in the OT are not limited to Jews but are applicable to all mankind -- even to modern times.

The Catholic Ten Commandments:

1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill (murder)
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods

See also: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

Jan001 · Jul 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

We know for a fact that the Christians celebrated the Lord's Day. The Lord's Day was the first day of the week. The Christians made Sunday the day for worship because this is what Jesus commanded them to do. There is no other reason for the apostles to change the worship day. They were commanded to teach Jesus' disciples what He commanded them to teach.

The Didache
1. But every Lord’s day do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. (Didache Chapter XIV.11 —Christian Assembly on the Lord’s Day. 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

Since, therefore, the days are evil, and Satan possesses the power of this world, we ought to give heed to ourselves, and diligently inquire into the ordinances of the Lord. Fear and patience, then, are helpers of our faith; and long-suffering and continence are things which fight on our side. While these remain pure in what respects the Lord, Wisdom, Understanding, Science, and Knowledge rejoice along with them. For He hath revealed to us by all the prophets that He needs neither sacrifices, nor burnt-offerings, nor oblations, saying thus, “What is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me, saith the Lord? I am full of burnt-offerings, and desire not the fat of lambs, and the blood of bulls and goats, not when ye come to appear before Me: for who hath required these things at your hands? Tread no more My courts, not though ye bring with you fine flour. Incense is a vain abomination unto Me, and your new moons and sabbaths I cannot endure.” He has therefore abolished these things, that the new law of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is without the yoke of necessity, might have a human oblation (The Epistle of Barnabas 1 Chapter II.—The Jewish sacrifices are now abolished.)

Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. (The Epistle of Barnabas Chapter XV.—The false and the true Sabbath. [A.D. 74]).

Justin Martyr
The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure. (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts? (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. (First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

Jesus Christ taught them to observe the first day of the week as the Lord's Day.

Jan001 · Jul 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
Key question:

In legal terms - what does it mean to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??

Jesus is God and He can and He did change the Sabbath observance to Sunday worship.

Matthew 12:1-8
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”

3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” nkjv

Razare · Jul 19, 2016

Problem with the original post is you missed the entire point of the statement you gave:

"If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

If you love me, keep my commands. - John 14:15

But he had changed the commandment before this.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. - John 13:34

If this is a new commandment, then this means the new commandment did not previously exist. What previously existed about love was this:

[A man speaking] To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices." - Mark 12:33

Jesus replied:

When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." - Mark 12:34

Christ did not say he had arrived in the kingdom of God with that answer... what Christ said is he was not far, based upon his wise answer.

If you say loving God with all your heart and being obedient to God and treating your neighbor like yourself is life eternal, then I offer the response Christ gave, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And that you are not far from the kingdom of God, means you have not arrived into the kingdom of God.

Jan001 · Jul 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
Mark 7
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Why do you keep the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day?

The Law of Moses (the Sabbath observances for the Israelites and the approx. 600 commandments contained in statutes and ordinances) was not Yehovah's Law for God's people before the time of Moses.

The circumcision laws and the Sabbath laws and its ordinances are not valid now for God's people, the followers of Jesus Christ. Luke 16:16

Cornelius knew God even though he was not a Jew. He did not follow the Sabbath and its commandments or the other commandments contained in the approx. 600 statutes and ordinances of the Jews, and he also was not circumcised. Cornelius was accepted by God because of his faith in God and his works of righteousness. Acts 10:34-35

Acts 10:1-4
At Caesare′a there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, 2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms liberally to the people, and prayed constantly to God. 3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, “Cornelius.” 4 And he stared at him in terror, and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God. nkjv

What was commanded of Cornelius and all the other non-Jew converts to Christianity to do?

Acts 15:22-29
The Jerusalem Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers

22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsab′bas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23 with the following letter: “The brethren, both the apostles and the elders, to the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cili′cia, greeting. 24 Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.” rsv

The Holy Spirit and the apostles require only the following things from the Law of Moses for the Gentile believers:

1. abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols
2. abstain from blood and from what is strangled
3. abstain from unchastity

Why do you try to trouble Christian believers by telling them that they must observe the Jewish Sabbath rituals when the Holy Spirit and the apostles did not require these things?

What is the Moral Law that is required for all people to keep if they desire to inherit/enter into eternal life?

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” nkjv

Please note that Jesus does not tell the lawyer that he has to observe the Sabbath and all the Sabbath's accompanying commandments contained in ordinances in order to inherit eternal life. Why do you add them as a requirement for your own religion?

Why do you insist on adding a Saturday Sabbath observance as a requirement for your own personal religion?

What commandments did Jesus tell the young ruler that he must observe in order to enter into eternal life?

Mark 10:17-22

Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”
20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”
21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
22 But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. nkjv

Please note that Jesus did not tell the young Jewish man to keep the Sabbath and all its ordinances in order to inherit eternal life.

Since Jesus did not tell the young Jewish man to keep the Sabbath and all its ordinances in order to inherit eternal life; why do you insist that all Christians do this?

Since Jesus did not command observance of the Saturday Sabbath in order to inherit eternal life; why have you added the Saturday Sabbath observance to your own religion?

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