If you keep the law because...

[VictorC]

You would like it to say that because loving God is seen in keeping His commandments.

No motive needs to be ascribed to. The observation is correct: there is no commandment to love God in the new covenant, likely because God didn't deem it necessary.

 

[k4c]

Since there is no reference to the "spirit of the law" to be found in Scripture, I must conclude that you got this teaching from another source.

Do you believe in a rapture?

Do you believe in the Trinity?

Can you show me the verses that say rapture or Trinity?

Hmmmmm...

 

[VictorC]

Do you believe in a rapture?

Do you believe in the Trinity?

Can you show me the verses that say rapture or Trinity?

Hmmmmm...

Borrowed from another poster on another forum:
two, four, six, eight - there's no need to obfuscate!

I believe I wrote in my profile that I'm an average post-trib Christian, nothing special about me, including my simple approach of sola Scriptura. If you believe in a pre-trib rapture, you ascribe to another error unrelated to the one you can't find support for.

And, even Ellen White didn't believe in the trinity until sometime in the 1800's when Waggoner came along with his corrections to Adventist theology. Her early writings are filled with Arian renditions of the Godhood, similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses that came out of Millerism as Adventism did.

Now, would you like to return to the topic being discussed?

 

[k4c]

Borrowed from another poster on another forum:
two, four, six, eight - there's no need to obfuscate!

I believe I wrote in my profile that I'm an average post-trib Christian, nothing special about me, including my simple approach of sola Scriptura. If you believe in a pre-trib rapture, you ascribe to another error unrelated to the one you can't find support for.

And, even Ellen White didn't believe in the trinity until sometime in the 1800's when Waggoner came along with his corrections to Adventist theology. Her early writings are filled with Arian renditions of the Godhood, similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses that came out of Millerism as Adventism did.

Now, would you like to return to the topic being discussed?

I don't know anything about another post so stop trying bring suspision of wrong doing to my posts and character in order to discredit the truth I speak.

As far as EGW goes, the only book that I read is Steps to Christ. Whether she wrote that or not is still open for discussion. I have never read any other of her books and have no desire to. Anything that I post comes from my personal Bible study.

As far as the Trinity goes, it has been debated for years by the top of all denominations and will continue to be debated because there are strong arguments for both sides.

Now I don't know what you believe regarding a rapture or a Trinity God but I can say you won't find the word rapture or Trinity in the Bible but they are sure taught in many mainline denominations as is the spirit of the law which is love.

 

[VictorC]

I don't know anything about another post so stop trying bring suspision of wrong doing to my posts and character in order to discredit the truth I speak.

I borrowed an expression written by someone you don't know, and giving him credit would do no good, as he isn't a member of CF. I do this to avoid plagiarism.

And, if the message you confer isn't compliant with Scripture, I cannot conclude that what you write is "truth". It isn't true if it contradicts the Truth.

As far as EGW goes, the only book that I read is Steps to Christ. Whether she wrote that or not is still open for discussion. I have never read any other of her books and have no desire to. Anything that I post comes from my personal Bible study.

I rely on source documentation for the beliefs held by the SDA church. That's simple library research.

As far as the Trinity goes, it has been debated for years by the top of all denominations and will continue to be debated because there are strong arguments for both sides.

But the Heresy of Arius has been addressed by all the major denominations, and has been rejected as the title it is known by infers. This can't be reconciled with Ellen White's earlier "inspired" writings that are filled with that variant apart from a trinitarian view of the Godhead.

Now I don't know what you believe regarding a rapture or a Trinity God but I can say you won't find the word rapture or Trinity in the Bible but they are sure taught in many mainline denominations as is the spirit of the law which is love.

Your reliance is to argumentum ad populum, which is well recognized as a logical fallacy. You do this instead of finding out what the Bible describes.

 

[k4c]

I borrowed an expression written by someone you don't know, and giving him credit would do no good, as he isn't a member of CF. I do this to avoid plagiarism.

And, if the message you confer isn't compliant with Scripture, I cannot conclude that what you write is "truth". It isn't true if it contradicts the Truth.

I rely on source documentation for the beliefs held by the SDA church. That's simple library research.

But the Heresy of Arius has been addressed by all the major denominations, and has been rejected as the title it is known by infers. This can't be reconciled with Ellen White's earlier "inspired" writings that are filled with that variant apart from a trinitarian view of the Godhead.

Your reliance is to argumentum ad populum, which is well recognized as a logical fallacy. You do this instead of finding out what the Bible describes.

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[k4c]

No motive needs to be ascribed to. The observation is correct: there is no commandment to love God in the new covenant, likely because God didn't deem it necessary.

I'm surprised you didn't mention the greatest commandment to love God with all your heart.

 

[VictorC]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the greatest commandment to love God with all your heart.

That's because it exists only as a quote from Deuteronomy 6:5 in the first covenant law, and it doesn't exist as a new covenant commandment.

 

[VictorC]

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Perhaps it has finally dawned on you that there is no such thing as a "spirit of the law".

 

[k4c]

Perhaps it has finally dawned on you that there is no such thing as a "spirit of the law".

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[k4c]

That's because it exists only as a quote from Deuteronomy 6:5 in the first covenant law, and it doesn't exist as a new covenant commandment.

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?'' Jesus said to him, " `You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.''

Jesus establishes the commandment to love God and neighbor as new covenant theology when He says all the law and the Prophets ie: Old Testament hangs on the two.

 

[VictorC]

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?'' Jesus said to him, " `You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.''

Jesus establishes the commandment to love God and neighbor as new covenant theology when He says all the law and the Prophets ie: Old Testament hangs on the two.

Why then does Jesus state this as an answer to the question "which is the great commandment in the law?"?
Simple.
The answer is from the law, and is an old covenant commandment.

 

[k4c]

Why then does Jesus state this as an answer to the question "which is the great commandment in the law?"?
Simple.
The answer is from the law, and is an old covenant commandment.

From the old testament yes but carried over to the new because the old now hangs on them.

So you believe we are not to love God in the new covenant?

 

[VictorC]

From the old testament yes but carried over to the new because the old now hangs on them.

Then why can't you locate this commandment anywhere in the new covenant?
Simple.
It isn't there!

So you believe we are not to love God in the new covenant?

It does not matter what I choose to believe or not believe.
What I post is what I can document in Scripture.

 

[k4c]

Then why can't you locate this commandment anywhere in the new covenant?
Simple.
It isn't there!

It does not matter what I choose to believe or not believe.
What I post is what I can document in Scripture.

You deserve three for this one...

 

[VictorC]

You deserve three for this one...

Beating yourself senseless is just going to make yourself lose more sense.

 

[freeindeed2]

You deserve three for this one...

k4c...address his comment...for once!

 

[k4c]

k4c...address his comment...for once!

I did so now you get one too...

 

[freeindeed2]

I did so now you get one too...

No...you didn't. You just hit yourself in the head three times.

 

[k4c]

No...you didn't. You just hit yourself in the head three times.

I actually answered him twice for the same question, I'll help you find them...

Originally Posted by k4c

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?'' Jesus said to him, " `You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.''

Jesus establishes the commandment to love God and neighbor as new covenant theology when He says all the law and the Prophets ie: Old Testament hangs on the two.
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VictorC: Why then does Jesus state this as an answer to the question "which is the great commandment in the law?"?
Simple.
The answer is from the law, and is an old covenant commandment.

Originally Posted by VictorC

Why then does Jesus state this as an answer to the question "which is the great commandment in the law?"?
Simple.
The answer is from the law, and is an old covenant commandment.
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k4c: From the old testament yes but carried over to the new because the old now hangs on them.

So you believe we are not to love God in the new covenant?