IF you could create your own mom....?

[LittleLambofJesus]

what about the "Mothers of Invention"

(Frank Zappa's band)

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6870602&page=31
Roman church errors and inventions

 

[MoNiCa4316]

In the Bible, it says that Mary is full of grace. The Greek word for this is only used once..it means she is literally full of grace, there isn't anything else, there's no sin in her. She was saved by God too, like all people, but at her conception...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In the Bible, it says that Mary is full of grace. The Greek word for this is only used once..it means she is literally full of grace, there isn't anything else, there's no sin in her. She was saved by God too, like all people, but at her conception...

You are correct that FORM of the greek word is used only once but the root word is still grace.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 1:28 And the messenger entering towards her said "be thou rejoicing! having been favored/graced/kecaritwmenh <5487> (5772). the Lord with thee............

Textus Rec.) Luke 1:28 kai eiselqwn o aggeloV proV authn eipen caire kecaritwmenh o kurioV meta sou euloghmenh su en gunaixin

W-H ) Luke 1:28 kai eiselqwn proV authn eipen caire kecaritwmenh o kurioV meta sou


5487. charitoo khar-ee-to'-o from 5485; to grace, i.e. indue with special honor:--make accepted, be highly
favoured.
5485. charis khar'-ece from 5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):--acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy

 

[katholikos]

What qualities would you give her?

I'd make her as perfect as a human can be, just like God did with Mary

 

[simonthezealot]

In the Bible, it says that Mary is full of grace. The Greek word for this is only used once..it means she is literally full of grace, there isn't anything else, there's no sin in her. She was saved by God too, like all people, but at her conception...

Used twice..."Stephen full of Grace" was he w/o sin as well?

 

[simonthezealot]

And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

But Mary was full of grace since her conception. Stephen was full of grace for a time when he was performing miracles; that is how God empowered him.

 

[Annolennar]

Used twice..."Stephen full of Grace" was he w/o sin as well?

I would suggest reading the Greek, its remarkably enlightening sometimes.

The actual words used are vastly different in meaning and usage.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I would suggest reading the Greek, its remarkably enlightening sometimes.

The actual words used are vastly different in meaning and usage.

and that

 

[simonthezealot]

But Mary was full of grace since her conception.

What makes you think this?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

What makes you think this?

cause I trust the teaching of the Church, given by the Holy Spirit.

would the Father allow His Son to be born of a sinner?

 

[simonthezealot]

Yes...Yes He would...It shows just how perfect our LORD is.
Plus AGAIN scripture says as much...

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Two people are noted as being "full of grace."
Stephen and Mary.
Such as absolutely nothing to do with their conception.
Or sin.





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[katholikos]

There is no scrpture that says Mary is a sinner

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

There is no scrpture that says Mary is a sinner

There's also no Scripture that says I am a sinner.
Just one that says ALL people are sinners.
As I'm people... well, you understand.
Scripture does say that God and Jesus are sinless.
By your rubric, it is DOGMA that I'm not a sinner because there is no Scripture that specifically states that I am a sinner. My mother will be interested in your dogma of "Josiah - the Sinless One"


But it's your epistemology that I reject.
It is NOT reasonable that something is DOGMA if the Bible does not specifically state otherwise. By your rubric that you are using and definding, you MUST accept that it is DOGMA that Jesus came to the Americas, preached to the Natives and established His Church here as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints because there is no Scriptue that specifically states He did not.








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[Annolennar]

There's also no Scripture that says I am a sinner.
Just one that says ALL people are sinners.
As I'm people... well, you understand.
Scripture does say that God and Jesus are sinless.
By your rubric, it is DOGMA that I'm not a sinner because there is no Scripture that specifically states that I am a sinner. My mother will be interested in your dogma of "Josiah - the Sinless One"


But it's your epistemology that I reject.
It is NOT reasonable that something is DOGMA if the Bible does not specifically state otherwise. By your rubric that you are using and definding, you MUST accept that it is DOGMA that Jesus came to the Americas, preached to the Natives and established His Church here as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints because there is no Scriptue that specifically states He did not.

Huh? Where is the Apostolic Tradition that says anything about you? Or the Scripture that even mentions you specifically?

Quite a long way to go if you want to put any flesh on the bones of that argument.

Also might want to cut back on telling us what we "must" believe, its not exactly an effective tactic of winning people over.