IF you could create your own mom....?

[WarriorAngel]

What qualities would you give her?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Ok, no one stpped up to the plate yet?

Being God, Who is God Who detests sin...
Would He create His Mother to be full of human sins?

Hmmmm.


If you were God [totally hypothetical]
Would you create your mom to be sinful, while hating sin?

What qualities would YOU give her, if you could??

 

[simonthezealot]

Angel why is it do you think there is NOTHING created without sin, save one the God/Man Jesus Christ? oh thats right you think Mary was sinless. Can't be though anything created perfect would be equal to God thats why God knew what our outcome would be, how Adam and Eve would fail...ONLY God can be perfect. Personally I think it is flirts with blasphemy to suggest that Mary was sinless, furthermore it outright denies that "all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" and that "God alone is holy"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke 18:19,romans 3:23,revelation 15:4&version=31
luke 18:19,

19Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.


romans 3:23,

23since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God;


revelation 15:4


4Lord, who will not fear
and glorify your name?
For you alone are holy.
All nations will come
and worship before you,
for your judgements have been revealed.’

 

[MamaZ]

Thing being with this question is that we know that we cannot create our own mother tee hee.. We are blessed with the mother God has given us here on earth..

 

[WarriorAngel]

So...according to you..
Adam and Eve were equal to God?
They were created perfect and sinless...

 

[WarriorAngel]

Thing being with this question is that we know that we cannot create our own mother tee hee.. We are blessed with the mother God has given us here on earth..

So you know you are limited, but God isnt...correct?

 

[simonthezealot]

So...according to you..
Adam and Eve were equal to God?
They were created perfect and sinless...

They may have been created as such but did not remain, and God obviously knew they wouldn't.

no ONE is good but God ALONE

it's not hard to figure out....

 

[MamaZ]

Oh brother.. God Used a human woman so Christ could become flesh..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Used.
hmmmmm.

That's not saying much for how much God loves us, if you suggest He uses us.
It doesnt make sense to save us if we are nothing more than useful critters.

You are limiting God.
You are suggesting, imho, that He cannot make anyone sinless.

Is this how i am to understand?

 

[MamaZ]

Used.
hmmmmm.

That's not saying much for how much God loves us, if you suggest He uses us.
It doesnt make sense to save us if we are nothing more than useful critters.

You are limiting God.
You are suggesting, imho, that He cannot make anyone sinless.

Is this how i am to understand?

Limiting God or agreeing with God? Since the fall no one has been sinless other than Christ..Christ came to set us free from our sin.. His shed blood washes away our sin.. God didn't play games.. All men are on the same level at the cross.. Sinners believing in Christ to redeem us..

 

[MamaZ]

God used Paul to go to the gentiles.. What is so hard of a concept is that to grasp.. All saving power comes from God alone through Christ alone..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Limiting God or agreeing with God? Since the fall no one has been sinless other than Christ..Christ came to set us free from our sin.. His shed blood washes away our sin.. God didn't play games.. All men are on the same level at the cross.. Sinners believing in Christ to redeem us..

And you know this...how?
One scripture meant for those in that parish?
Read the next part - i am going to answer...
Because apparently you guys think the Apostles wrote in English.

God used Paul to go to the gentiles.. What is so hard of a concept is that to grasp.. All saving power comes from God alone through Christ alone..

Yea...and?

Somehow, you guys keep skipping what i am saying.

Let me requote Mary herself...and not only will i highlight something, but will explain it.

Luke 1
46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

HATH rejoiced....
Past tense.

How did Mary 'past tense' rejoice in her Savior?
The answer is objectively, He presaved her for the role of being His Mother.
She was filled with the Holy Spirit and knew this.

Also, how about...?


caritow
The root word is charitoo [caritow], which means "to grace, favor." On this much, it seems, all agree. All the common English translations of the word therefore, regardless of whether the translators are Catholic or Protestant, use some form of "grace" or "favor" in them.
ke
The prefix on charitoo is ke, signifying that the word is in the perfect tense. This indicates a present state which is the result of a completed past action. The action which brought about the state in which Mary is, in other words, was completed before Gabriel's greeting. Gabriel is viewing the finished results.
This tense seems difficult to render in English, especially with one word, as Gabriel uses. The translator does not only want to indicate that the past action is complete, but also that there is a continuing state as a result. Allowing for more than one word, an example of the tense in English might be "you are certified to teach." "Are" indicates a present state, "certified" shows that the state is the result of a completed past action.
mene
The suffix on charitoo, mene, makes this a passive participle. "Passive" means that the action is performed on the subject, in this case Mary, by another agent. The verb is "grace" and the implied subject is Mary. The passive usage means that "someone graced Mary," rather than "Mary graced." Most theologians would probably accept the assumption that the implied "someone" is God. "Participle," in this case, means that the word has properties of both a verb and a noun. This makes sense in light of what has already been said about direct address. A direct address is a noun or pronoun, but "to grace" is a verb. Kecharitomene has verb and noun properties. Again, there can be weaknesses in translation here. For example, St. Jerome and the King James translators tried to render kecharitomene as "full of grace." This translation is very good compared to many others, but because "grace" is no longer verb-like, it is also not passive as it is in Greek.

 

[GregoryTurner]

May I just say that God "uses" people to "go to all nations and baptise them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit..." the same way He used Mary to bring Jesus to earth in the flesh. Does that mean that people who witness are sinless?

Grace be with you,
g

 

[MamaZ]

Mary was a Jewish woman.. She knew that God had promised Christ. She rejoiced in God her savior even before Christ came to earth. For she worshipped the God of Isreal. This is why she was at the temple when the angel appeared to her. She was not full of Grace.. She was highly favored. She was not sinless either..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Still didnt read what i posted...
OR do you not quite understand the point behind it?

 

[GregoryTurner]

Ms Angel, in post #12, from where is your information coming? It is a good idea to cite sources, I too sometimes forget. 98% of mine come from E-Sword with Strong's number system.

Grace be with you,
g

 

[MamaZ]

I see what you are saying Warriorangel.. But the fact is this.. Mary praised God her savior.. Jesus came to save people from thier sins.. So if Mary is Christs then Christ has redeemed her from Her sins.. Plain and simple.. We all know that Mary was a follower of Christ. We see her with the other believers in Acts..

 

[Counter-Reformer]

I see what you are saying Warriorangel.. But the fact is this.. Mary praised God her savior.. Jesus came to save people from thier sins.. So if Mary is Christs then Christ has redeemed her from Her sins.. Plain and simple.. We all know that Mary was a follower of Christ. We see her with the other believers in Acts..

Right and She was indeed saved by Christ at the moment of her conception. The Merits of Christ's most glorious passion were applied to her like all those who lived before Christ. How do you think the Old testament patriarchs were justified? By something other than Christ's own passion?

 

[MamaZ]

Right and She was indeed saved by Christ at the moment of her conception.

What makes you think this is truth?

 

[Counter-Reformer]

What makes you think this is truth?

As warrior Angel shows in her post, the Greek implicity shows this as do the Church Fathers.