if you CHOSE to sin, are you still saved?

[Whisper865]

Isaiah 57:15-21

King James Version (KJV)

15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.
19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.
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When the believer chooses sin God removes his protection and allows Satan to strike us. This is the process that firmly establishes the fear.
Through obedience we learn that even through the fiery trials we suffer not!

Mark 16:16-18

King James Version (KJV)

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

Luke 10:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The true disciple will be chastised but not harmed until his hour has come!


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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

King James Version (KJV)

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Amen!

 

[GodsGirlToday61]

Bluesman, I thank you for your reply. I assure you I am not speaking of myself, but of a loved one. He refuses to go to AA, he has been twice to a psychiatrist, told her everything was fine and never went back. He's been given the pill they have to curb cravings for alcohol, he's been prayed for over and over, he's prayed himself over and over. He quits sometimes for two weeks, and then starts it up again.
I have turned this matter over to the Lord. I pray till I can't pray anymore...still nothing happens. nothing changes. It is making me doubt the Lord's intervention in this matter. Maybe he is not truely saved or this would not be happening...wouldn't the Holy Spirit in him start to change him and he would not want to do this anymore? or hurt everyone including the Lord the way he is? I really don't see an end to this, that is why I am asking if he is doomed to hell..because I think the only thing that will make him quit is if he dies from it. It's his eternal soul I am worried about. He goes to church, he reads the bible daily, he professes scripture non stop, he preaches to everyone around him and then secretly gets drunk every night when no one is looking. Only God at this point can help him, but what if God doesn't want to?

There have been times in my life when anyone looking at me (even my tee shirt 'message') would have thought I was unsaved, unrepenting, bound for Hell, out to get God, and maybe God was gonna send me packing off to Hell.

God knew what I was struggling with, oh, wow, was I!

I got so far out of His hearing range it seemed, or maybe I was (I leave that up to God's understanding, not my own) that I hurt bad, every minute, without let up except when I drank, there was a few moments, maybe the first 45, in which I felt at ease, didn't want to hit my son (the one that came of an arranged marriage--no, I was NOT pregnant--when I was 16; my Mom arranged it all...); if I had hit my son, I wouldn't have stopped, and I knew it, so I drank instead.

Unlike your friend, I didn't drink every day or every other... I didn't preach the Gospel, go to church, or 'secretly' drink, though I did drink outside the home, so my son would not grow up watching what I did growing up: a drunken Mom.

I got saved when I was 8; I backslid; I started making my way back in a way that 'felt' like a groping, meandering, and yet, heartfelt, honest groping:

And I made it back.

And I'm crying, such grateful tears.

Please pray to God 'for yourself'. That you have patience with this man and Faith deepened that God knows what is going on with this person in a way that no human being can with a finite mind...

We are called to love God with all our heart, all our mind, all our soul, all our strength, and then to Love our neighbor as ourselves:

We can only love a neighbor as much as we love ourselves which will both deepen as our love of God deepens.

Sometimes I have such a strong sense that God has it all covered. I mean, yes He's our Origin; Jesus is WORD made flesh who dwelt among us; the holy Spirit is our Comforter--I believe that, 'and'?

Why we fell 'exactly', and how each of us makes our way Home 'exactly'? Only God knows that; only God can know it, so we are called to to what we can as fall-able human beings:

Pray to God who is Love; act from the outpouring of Comfort we have received in the holy Spirit which pours forth from God the Father and God the Son,

and when we've had enough, whatever it is we have had enough of, like praying for someone who does not seem to want to change?

Turn that person with love over to Love, and ask that God renew your own ability to love...

I keep praying this, and God is blessing me for it, and by blessing, I mean the way He promised: Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be added:

The fruits of the Spirit, not the pitiful 'things' of this world that do not satisfy sometimes for more than moments in time, but for the gifts that lead to Eternal Life with God Who is Love.

~ Carolyn

 

[98cwitr]

Your Profile indicates you have been on this Forum for 7 years this month. You have over 7000 posts. You are still waiting to be born from above? Maybe you are in a church like I attended once. The preachers always tried to make people doubt their salvation. It was always good to have people coming down the aisle at the altar call! You know, God saves you once and for all. Some preachers like to save you over and over to raise the count!

Actually, I'm in a "God loves everyone and you're all God's children" church. They aren't unversialists or anything, but the theology just doesn't add up to me...and neither does assurance of salvation with sin still having control over one's life. I just don't understand that. Scripture is very clear...you can't be born of God and keep sinning day after day. I do though...and am numbly aware of it. I realize now that I am helpless in sin, dead in it...and the Bible tells me that I cannot save myself. Saving faith (the kind that changes a person) I don't believe is of one's self or we bring that to fruition. Scripture tells us that God measures faith out to people.

 

[SeventhValley]

The Bible says God died for all and calls all to him.But God is also a fair judge who judges out of love. It also says you can shipwreck your salvation. So if you have faith in Christ you will not be judged if.....you follow Christ and do not allow Satan to influence you to shipwreck your faith.

So a slip here and there will not put you in dange of damnation if your faith is in Christ , even the Apostles slipped up. But unrepentant sinning without repentance and trying to change will cause you to loose salvation.

 

[Legionwrex]

It would appear to me that there are only two ways you can sin. You either willingly choose to, or you do so unknowingly at the time. And I would ask anyone on this website that if they have never willingly chose to sin to please post it here, because I would really like to know how.

 

[trentlogain2]

/eternal security

 

[Emmy]

Dear yankeeblue. A saved person is on the way to God`s Kingdom, while a person who keeps sinning, will never find the way to God`s Kingdom. Let us all remember: Galatians 6: 7-8: Paul tells us what will happen, and we know:
God will not be mocked. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus Himself tells a Lawyer:
" The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. The second is like it: Love our neighbour as we love ourselves." Jesus states this great fact: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. God wants our Love, freely given and No conditions made. ( The Expositor`s New Testament refers
to this Commandment of Love for God and for our neighbour: " this is the foundation of all the Law, and applies to the present Day of Grace.")
We have many years to become the men and women which God wants us to become. Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and we are told in Matthew 7:7-8
" ask and ye receive." We keep asking God for Love and Joy, then thank God,
and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour: i.e. all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends.
How can we love, if we keep sinning? We might stumble and forget at times,
but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on Loving and Caring. God will notice our sincere efforts, and God will bless us. I say this with love,
yankeeblue. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ. P.S. A Christian`s
great weapon is Love, with love we will overcome all enmity and wrong behaviour.

 

[lismore]

My question is for someone that claims to be saved, and loves the Lord Jesus during the day, but every single night, pours the alcohol down their throat. drinks till drunk. nightly. knows it is wrong, but says they cannot stop.

I know how you feel, I have a saved relative who had a gambling addiction. He has nowhere else to go so was lodging with us. Got so bad with the stealing to gamble we had to lock everything up, padlocks on all the doors except the bathroom and the spare bedroom.

Your relative went to AA and said everything was fine? Sounds like he's not yet able to admit he has a problem. That's the first step towards finding a solution.

Don't despair. God can work for the good in all situations, although it's difficult to see his purpose except with hindsight.

 

[Ringo84]

Of course not. When we are saved, it's like joining the Borg collective: we all become automatons who can't think and act for ourselves.
Ringo

 

[98cwitr]

Of course not. When we are saved, it's like joining the Borg collective: we all become automatons who can't think and act for ourselves.
Ringo

Couldn't before for that matter...we were slaves to sin instead of righteousness