If you cannot believe the genesis account....

[Follower of Christ]

And others (myself included) think that young people should know that evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive.

Uh.... yeah.......I know

Shouldn't young people have a firm scientific education before they dismiss the various scientific disciplines against which fundamentalists pit themselves? How else can they come to a reasonable conclusion?

I have plenty of christian friends who buy into evol.

I dont try to change them, they dont try to change me......

BUT if i catch them pouncing on a new christian with that tripe, I will set them straight....

And I wouldnt try to force my 6 day thing on a young christian either.
Id tell them what I beleive and why and let them KNOW the the decisions is THEIRS to make.........NOT mine, and certainly not monkey-men

 

[Ishmael Borg]

I have plenty of christian friends who buy into evol.

I dont try to change them, they dont try to change me......

BUT if i catch them pouncing on a new christian with that tripe, I will set them straight....

And I wouldnt try to force my 6 day thing on a young christian either.
Id tell them what I beleive and why and let them KNOW the the decisions is THEIRS to make.........NOT mine, and certainly not monkey-men

Tripe? What's your science background? In other posts you seem to indicate that scriptural opinions by posters who haven't invested the twenty years that you have to Bible study are worthless. What are your science opinions worth?

Monkey-men? Oh I see, you're one of those. Civility is a two-way road, sir.

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

So all of the Bible is to be taken literally? Even Jesus' parables?

Anyway, why is it impossible to allow for the idea that God uses processes to achieve his ends?

 

[Follower of Christ]

Tripe? What's your science background? In other posts you seem to indicate that scriptural opinions by posters who haven't invested the twenty years that you have to Bible study are worthless. What are your science opinions worth?

nothing to you.......and if youd pay more attention, youd see Im not preaching science........Im telling my brothers and sisters in the Lord that YOU all have NO absolute Proof of anything...

AND as often as science changes things, I wouldnt base what I believe as far as creation goes on anything science teaches.....

If you desire to be cornered here, then so be it....

Show me youre ABSOLUTE PROOF that man evolved and was not created as a complete man, or kindly drop your pursuit....


And the monkey-men comment was a general statement......I, sir, am not a related to a monkey as you would think you are...

 

[Follower of Christ]

So all of the Bible is to be taken literally? Even Jesus' parables?

Oh for pities sake.......here we go again with this........

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

Well, to get to the point, how do you decide which parts are to be interpreted literally?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

nothing to you.......and if youd pay more attention, youd see Im not preaching science........Im telling my brothers and sisters in the Lord that YOU all have NO absolute Proof of anything...

AND as often as science changes things, I wouldnt base what I believe as far as creation goes on anything science teaches.....

If you desire to be cornered here, then so be it....

Show me youre ABSOLUTE PROOF that man evolved and was not created as a complete man, or kindly drop your pursuit....


And the monkey-men comment was a general statement......I, sir, am not a related to a monkey as you would think you are...

Cyber-bullies don't scare me, so your cornering isn't all that traumatic.

By your reasoning, every incarcerated criminal should be freed.

Science modifies its conclusions as new data is collected. I'll give you a little news flash: medicine has changed, information technology has changed, agricultural science has changed etc., etc., etc..

 

[Follower of Christ]

Well, to get to the point, how do you decide which parts are to be interpreted literally?

Well, Jesus admitted to teaching in parables and the NT texts shows many of the parables as being such.....

Mat 13:3 And He spoke to them many things in parables, saying: "Behold, a sower went out to sow.

Mat 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

Mat 13:24 Another parable He set before them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man sowing good seed in his field.

Mat 13:33 Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and mixed in with three measures of meal, until the whole was leavened


etc, etc, etc ,etc

 

[Follower of Christ]

Cyber-bullies don't scare me, so your cornering isn't all that traumatic.

By your reasoning, every incarcerated criminal should be freed.

Science modifies its conclusions as new data is collected. I'll give you a little news flash: medicine has changed, information technology has changed, agricultural science has changed etc., etc., etc..

Im sorry.....are you dodging or can you give me ABSOLUTE PROOF???

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

Okay, so anything announced as such is a parable. Are there are any instances of "metaphors out of the blue"? After you answer this, I'll be satisfied. Don't mean to prod everything you write.

Maybe I have the burden of proof on this one!

 

[Arikay]

We can't give you "absolute proof" (and you know this).
And you can't give us absolute proof that you aren't just a figment of our imaginations.
You also can't give us absolute proof that the bible is supposed to be taken literally, or that the bible even exists to begin with.

You did ignore IBs comment, that we also can't give "absolute proof" that convicted criminals are guilty. This means that if absolute proof is required they should all be let go.

So what was the point of asking for absolute proof again?

Im sorry.....are you dodging or can you give me ABSOLUTE PROOF???

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Im sorry.....are you dodging or can you give me ABSOLUTE PROOF???

Look, you may think you're impressing the lurkers with your broken-record crapola, but c'mon. Absolute proof? It's not attainable. However, criminology, biology, geology, and every other scientific discipline draw the best conclusions possible from the available evidence. Evolution is the most supported explanation we have for life's diversity.

If an ancient book of mythology gives you all the answers you need, I'm happy for you. It's not enough for me.

(I'll be back in +/- one hour)

 

[Follower of Christ]

Okay, so anything announced as such is a parable. There are any instances of "metaphors out of the blue"? After you answer this, I'll be satisfied. Don't mean to prod every thing you say.

Maybe I have the burden of proof on this one!

Its fine.......i mean, i realize youre probably trying to set me up just as anyone else would, but I'll answer

A lot of times the word ''vision'' or ''dream'' is used in the texts as well, we try to see how these confirmed visions may correlate to the text in other places such as Revelation....

As for the flip side of the coin, what is taken as literal when it appears to be metaphor.......
In many places, mostly in the OT, a phrase or a point is repeated 3 or more times stressing the point of the text....

Jesus, uses this technique in the NT as well when He is speaking of Hell.....STRESSING that it is eternal and this '''worm'' does not die...

Genesis one uses the repetition of ''an evening and a morning'' as well as 1:4-5 defining what this ''day'' is....

Not to mention if you study out the Hebrew word YOM or YOME, and see its use in Genesis 1.......
Youll have no choice but to conclude a literal day is meant

Nowhere else in the bible as far as I have seen, was so much effort put forth to SHOW what is being conveyed....



Revelation Im foggy in many areas because of the wording....

And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

(Rev 9:17)

Becuase its a vision, we have to try to figure out what is metaphor and what is not....

Genesis 1 is nothing like Revelation...
It emphasizes the fact that the defined days are being used....

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

I don't get Revelation. I'd never throw passages from that book at you, don't worry.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Look, you may think you're impressing the lurkers with your broken-record crapola, but c'mon. Absolute proof? It's not attainable. However, criminology, biology, geology, and every other scientific discipline draw the best conclusions possible from the available evidence. Evolution is the most supported explanation we have for life's diversity.

If an ancient book of mythology gives you all the answers you need, I'm happy for you. It's not enough for me.

(I'll be back in +/- one hour)

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that is your OPINION and that is fine....
just stop spouting out that WE have to believe it

 

[Follower of Christ]

I don't get Revelation. I'd never through passages from that book at you, don't worry.

If youre interested, I can dig up some stuff that may help you understand bible study a bit more......

Its more than I would care to type out, but I could find some material and PM it to you if thats ok

I realize we probly dont see eye to eye in our beliefs, but as long as the insults dont start being flung about what I believe, Id be more than happy to try to show you WHY I believe what I do.........but ONLY thru PM tho

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

Okay re: PM...keep in mind I may need time to digest it all. I just found Calvin's, Knox's, and Coverdale's notes from the 1599 Geneva Bible. I've been interested in reading these.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Okay re: PM...keep in mind I may need time to digest it all. I just found Calvin's, Knox's, and Coverdale's notes from the 1599 Geneva Bible. I've been interested in reading these.

aslo, you can download free bible software at E-sword.net....

It has a ton of bible versions, but many study aids...

Also keep in mind that I am basically a fundamentalist at heart, so most folks arent going to see things the way I do so youll have to try to come to your own conclusions about certain things...

I'll try to dig up some stuff and PM you with it later tonite if thats ok

 

[Něco hrubého oprýskaného 1]

Okay, I only use the Internet at work, so I won't get it until tomorrow. Thanks!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Im sorry.....are you dodging or can you give me ABSOLUTE PROOF???

Oh please, FoC, haven't you made it plainly obvious that not even ABSOLUTE PROOF would shake your dogma --er, I mean, "faith?"