in YOUR mind they did.......as I said.....you have NO idea what the writers original intent was......Arikay said:
a frisbee is round.......a ball is round.....
YOu folks would throw out salvation over a word definition
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in YOUR mind they did.......as I said.....you have NO idea what the writers original intent was......Arikay said:Yeah they really screwed up when writing their perfectly inspired book didn't they.(since they chose to use a word that didn't get the point accross)
jobob said:in YOUR mind they did.......as I said.....you have NO idea what the writers original intent was......
a frisbee is round.......a ball is round.....
YOu folks would throw out salvation over a word definition
Arikay said:But they aren't round in the same way. Its like saying a circle is flat and a square is flat so a circle is a square. Although I find it funny you suggesting we should pay attention to the hebrew when you are talking english sematics.
Who said it was?Wow, I didn't know a round or flat earth was a salvation issue.
You mean like maybe refering to the 4 corners of the earth?And another thing while Im at it.
WHY a circle to begin with..... the writer obviously could have used square or any shape he wanted to.....
I guess you never stood up on a relatively high place and looked around.Seems odd that a man who had never even seen the earth from anywhere other than its surface would even pick a ''round'' object to relate it to..
Only because you folks (literalists) would make salvation dependant on a word definition...jobob said:in YOUR mind they did.......as I said.....you have NO idea what the writers original intent was......
a frisbee is round.......a ball is round.....
YOu folks would throw out salvation over a word definition
Something tells me if I used the term ''4 corners'' of the earth, youd know exacty what I was talking about...... there is no contradiction...only gamesFrumious Bandersnatch said:You mean like maybe refering to the 4 corners of the earth?
I guess you never stood up on a relatively high place and looked around.
the frumious Bandersnatch
wrong...Nathan Poe said:Only because you folks (literalists) would make salvation dependant on a word definition...
jobob said:Youre full of all sorts of twists and turns in your logic arent you?
a ball is a round and a circle is round.....
an apple pie is round and the moon is round.....
You can argue this till youre face turns blue, this cannot be used to show the writer was intending a 2 dimensional circle.... you do not know what his intentions were.... PROVE that his using the Hebrew word rendered as ''circle'' was MEANT to convey a flat circle and not just to convey ''round'' and maybe Ill discuss this further.
And another thing while Im at it.
WHY a circle to begin with..... the writer obviously could have used square or any shape he wanted to.....
Seems odd that a man who had never even seen the earth from anywhere other than its surface would even pick a ''round'' object to relate it to..
Who said it was?
You seemingly are rejecting the Bible and salvation based on the word rendered as ''circle''
Whats entertaining is watching how you cant accept ''circle'' in relation to the earth..Arikay said:If you consider a "twist" and a "turn" pointing out logical fallacies in your arguments, then yes I am full of them.
Who said I rejected salvation over that word? Obviously not me. Looks at my invisible friend, "did you do it?" Bob says he didn't do it, so it must have been my invisible hamster.
If you would like to make anything else up, go ahead, its entertaining.
jobob said:Whats entertaining is watching how you cant accept ''circle'' in relation to the earth..
Ill bet if it was any other book youd be fine with it....
YOu think you have an error..... you do not...
Maybe because it is a turn of phrase that has been in use for a couple thousand years since it appears in the Bible.jobob said:Something tells me if I used the term ''4 corners'' of the earth, youd know exacty what I was talking about......
My point, which you must be amazingly dense to miss is that from high up you see approximately the same distance in all directions, ie the circle of the earth. You asked why someone would say this. I thought I explained it in terms that even you could grasp jobob.Ive been pretty high up... in a jet or 5...
youre point is ?????
Based on your distortion of the meaning it may.....Its funny, when the bible literally suggests the earth is flat, its not acceptable,
Chapter and verse pleaseFrumious Bandersnatch said:There are also verses that indicate they thought the earth was flat.
see my previous post..Using the phrase "circle of the earth" to try to show that they didn't think the earth was flat is illogical since a circle is indeed flat. It is really quite amusing to watch the extreme literalists twist and turn to try to deny what the Bible states so plainly. Suddenly some verses don't "really" mean what they clearly say and others are just "poetry".
the frumious Bandersnatch
You can find a large collection here.jobob said:Chapter and verse please
When scientists really want to convey the shape of the earth they say it is an oblate spheroid not a circle. Why don't you find us a scientific site talks about the pillars of the earth or the firmament that separates the waters above from the waters below or says that the earth is fixed and never moves?see my previous post..
Just wait till the next time i see some scientist calling the earth ''round''
mebe Ill spend some time going thru some science site and see what i can come up with
jobob said:Based on your distortion of the meaning it may.....
As I said... NEITHER of us know the original intent of the writer...
I can say now the earth is ''round'' and it IS correct.....
I do NOT have to say spherical in conversation to get the point across.
If the Hebs DID believe in a spherical earth, then the use of ''circle'' to desribe it would be no different than me telling you the earth is ''round''....
Just like a scientist could say the earth was ''round'' today, instead of ''spherical'' and youd know EXACTLY what he was talking about........or wait, mebe if one did youd just toss out the whole lesson he was teaching
The Bible says that Adam and Eve lived 6000 years ago. Science presents some pretty convincing evidence that there were "people" around before Adam and Eve. Of course they were not civilized, they did not have written records. Their tools were stone and not metal. So, there really is no question that Adam and Eve were the first or the start of something. The world as we now know it, is just about 6000 years old. There is overwelming evidence that there was a world here before his one.Arikay said:Yet creationists Know that the earth is 6000 years old because the bible says so. How odd.
The Bible is not talking about circles and squares. This is not a math lesson. Circle here means to walk around the outside of something. It is a term used when a guard walks around the area he is guarding.Arikay said:Its like saying a circle is flat and a square is flat so a circle is a square.
Actually, the Bible says no such thing.JohnR7 said:The Bible says that Adam and Eve lived 6000 years ago.
So what's the benchmark of "civilization?" Metal and writing?Science presents some pretty convincing evidence that there were "people" around before Adam and Eve. Of course they were not civilized, they did not have written records. Their tools were stone and not metal.
One that God apparantly decided not to tell us about.So, there really is no question that Adam and Eve were the first or the start of something. The world as we now know it, is just about 6000 years old. There is overwelming evidence that there was a world here before his one.
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