If you believe.

[Isaiah55:6]

well being honest i think i only bear number 1

From your other posts it looks like you bear number 2 as well.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

It says very clearly in the Bible that those who seek God will find him. Ask God to reveal himself to you. Be honest about your reservations. God is not offended by questions or doubts.

It seems obvious that you are seeking or else you probably wouldn't be worried about this. To me it sounds like your saved. But I can't know your heart.

 

[BeStill&Know]

Good morning, your answer has been well covered by other believers in this faith. I hope you will
one day see that our Christian faith is being married to our Lord. Even better than an earthly marriage since we in our flesh are all broken with our sins and those around us. But with Christ He is Perfection in Grace, Truth and Pure Love. In Him as Bridegroom, we can place our trust, and without reservation give our lives to. He comes to most intimately live within us thru His Holy Spirit, His Marriage Gift to us, and to you.

 

[Neogaia777]

i guess i have trouble differentiating whether i truly believe or if its just head knowledge that i have learned.

If your worried about your heart condition, this sermon really helped me to know where my heart is/was:

I know he has his critics, but I believe this was one of his shining moments, and Jesus said to listen to the things they say, and try to do as they say do, but not to be doing as they are doing (living their lives), not living up to themselves or what they preach...

God Bless!

 

[NJA]

i guess i have trouble differentiating whether i truly believe or if its just head knowledge that i have learned.

Which is one reason why signs follow those who really believe, the sign of receiving the new heart being speaking in new tongues (Mark 16:15-20, Acts 2 etc).

The apostles waited for God's independent witness, "churches" today have replaced it with confessions of faith ... relying on how we judge our own hearts (Jeremiah 17:9).

 

[Isaiah55:6]

Which is one reason why signs follow those who really believe, the sign of receiving the new heart being speaking in new tongues (Mark 16:15-20, Acts 2 etc).

I'm not sure if your just saying 'once saved you will have spiritual gifts' or if your saying ' tongues is the essential evidence of being saved'.
If you meant the first then disregard my reply. If you meant the second then read on....

Speaking in tongues is not the evidence of salvation. Please don't start confusing her.

(1 Cor 12:30), "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret?"
The answer is no not all do. We don't all just have the gift of tongues. Some have the gift of teaching, some have the gift of interpretation and so on.
Here's another, (1 Cor 12:10), " and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, TO 'ANOTHER' VARIOUS KINDS OF TONGUES, and to another the interpretation of tongues.

tongues may be the gift some have but not everyone. It doesn't mean your not saved just because you don't speak in tongues. I have a big problem with this doctrine because it causes true believers to doubt their salvation because the weren't given the gift of tongues.

* again my apologies if that's not what you meant.

 

[Countryangel707]

Which is one reason why signs follow those who really believe, the sign of receiving the new heart being speaking in new tongues (Mark 16:15-20, Acts 2 etc).

The apostles waited for God's independent witness, "churches" today have replaced it with confessions of faith ... relying on how we judge our own hearts (Jeremiah 17:9).

i dont. know anyone who claims to be a Christian that speaks in tongues.

 

[NJA]

i dont. know anyone who claims to be a Christian that speaks in tongues.

I'm with an international church of many thousands who all speak in tongues privately, and we have 2 or 3 gifts of tongues in meetings, each followed by a gift of interpretation, as a sign to visitors, as it was from Pentcost onwards - see 1 Corinthians 14.

Most people have never been to a meeting like this!
Over the centries man has drifted away from the original, I was like you but after I met people who were like the original I could easily see the difference, I could see God's nature flowing out of them, they were truly satisfied, I began to realise I had not actually received the drink whereof a man shall "never thirst again" ... a few weeks later I became humble enough to whole-heartedly desire the same and I received it.
That was 30 years ago, it gets better if you let it.

 

[NJA]

Please don't start confusing her.

(1 Cor 12:30), "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret?"
The answer is no not all do. We don't all just have the gift of tongues. Some have the gift of teaching, some have the gift of interpretation and so on.
Here's another, (1 Cor 12:10), "

You are confused!
You have quoted 2 verses at the end of 1 Corinthians 12. The context is that since chapter 11 Paul has been talking to Christians about what God wants in meetings, not what different people get when they receive salvation!

This is seen from the passage itself!

"to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith ... tongues ... interpretation" (vv8-12)

Why does it say "one" not some?
If what you are trying to teach is true it means that only some Christians have faith etc!!

Paul knows that they all have all these attribites, because they all have Jesus Christ inside by the infilling of his spirit - please read 1 Corinthians 1v4-7

That's why he needs to reason with them not to all do the same thing when they meet.

If it's true that only some could speak in tongues he would not have to say these things, the problem could never arise!

Isaiah55:6 - if your church operated the gifts as this passage (through to chapter 14) details, you would understand the simple distinction between the meetings-use, "gifts" of tongues, faith etc, and the main personal private use that ALL have.

In our meetings we have:

• songs & personal testimony of how someone found salvation as detailed in Acts 2, and the difference it makes
• communion (sundays only)
• 2 or 3 gifts of tongyues, each followed by interpretation (also from God's Spirit not man's mind)
• 2 or 3 prophecies
• Bible-based talk (words of wisdom and knowledge)
• prayer for needs (gifts of faith and healing)
• close, fellowship

 

[Isaiah55:6]

NJA, so your saying if a Christian cannot speak in tongues then he/she is not truly saved?

 

[NJA]

NJA, so your saying if a Christian cannot speak in tongues then he/she is not truly saved?

Why do you want to know what I say?
It's not about me ...
I've shown how you are basing your doctrine on scripture quoted out of context, please respond to my previous point or we are not having a conversation and no light or revelation will come to you.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

You've raised some good questions. I will have to look deeper into this and I'll get back to you.

 

[Countryangel707]

(2 Cor 13:5) says, "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-- unless, of course you fail the test?"

And then in the 1st book of John, John gives us 6 marks that a true believer will carry.
A true believer will....
1. Not carry on living in an unrepentant state of sin(1 John 3:9)
2. Will believe Jesus is the only way of salvation. (1 John 5:1)
3. Will strive to live a righteous life and be conformed to the image of Christ (1 John 2:29)
4. Will have a special love for your fellow brethren in Christ (1 John 3:14) 5. Will desire not the things of this world but rather you will desire the things of God ( 1 John 5:4)
6. Will take great care to avoid even the things that can even lead to sin (1 John 5:18)

* please note that these are not works we must do in order to be saved but rather this is our new nature having been born again. (John 3:13), "truly, truly I tell you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God"

must you have all 6

 

[Isaiah55:6]

must you have all 6

Well, as Christians we go through a process called sanctification in which God conforms us to the image of Christ. ( to become more like Christ) sanctification is a life long process, in which you will spend your whole life becoming more like Christ. Where perhaps the sins you could do 5 years ago, you couldn't do anymore or the sins you could do 5 months ago, you couldn't do anymore because your growing as a Christian. So 'must you have all 6?' I'd probably say if you had some and also saw progress in the others, then your life is bearing the fruit of true salvation.

 

[Neogaia777]

must you have all 6

Which do you feel you are lacking?

God Bless!

 

[Isaiah55:6]

Why does it say "one" not some?
If what you are trying to teach is true it means that only some Christians have faith

I don't see it the way you do. He says "do all have?". Which would imply " not all have".

Anyway, so after doing some homework I feel that my response can still work. You said if I use this teaching then I'd have to say not all Christians have faith. But if we define faith I would have to agree, not all Christians have faith. This verse isn't speaking of a 'saving faith' but a faith that can be used in healing and moving mountains.

Eg) (acts 14:9) "He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed".

(Matt 17:20) "He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

(1 Cor 13:2) "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."

(James 5:15) "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.

So you see? There are different kinds of faith. Saving faith and the type of faith from these scriptures.

 

[oi_antz]

if i believe that Jesus is Lord and God. does that mean i am saved?

It depends. What do you believe it means to say that Jesus is Lord? If it means that you will always honour Him, then yes you will be saved. Some people seem to be able to say that they believe He is Lord and yet not honour Him - I do not have confidence to see in those people at that time, that they will be saved.

I believe that Jesus is Gods son and the only way to Heaven.

I would like to know how you understand it is possible that He can bring you to heaven. Can you please explain the way you understand that?

but i guess the whole Bible has been washed into my brain since birth that its all i know. and i dont know how i cant believe it since i think its all true.

It is interesting seeing as I was discussing yesterday with a friend, how many people are brain washed into believing the bible is false. Some such people will go al their life never being able to view the bible in a context that shows it as true. Then as we were discussing the two basic religions - the religion of God vs the religion of man, where religion of man shows favouritism toward each other based on perceived brotherhoods, whereas the religion of God follows what a person knows in their heart to be true. Then when the time comes that our life is stripped away and all there is left is one's self and God, then those who have been brain washed to never see the truth in the bible will recognise Jesus Christ is the one they worship. The probably will be sorry that they did not recognise Him earlier, but He will bring them into His love, because they belong to Him. (John 10:16).

 

[NJA]

I don't see it the way you do. He says "do all have?". Which would imply " not all have".

Anyway, so after doing some homework I feel that my response can still work.

You said if I use this teaching then I'd have to say not all Christians have faith. But if we define faith I would have to agree, not all Christians have faith. This verse isn't speaking of a 'saving faith' but a faith that can be used in healing and moving mountains.

Are you consistent i.e. do you make the same distinction for the other attributes mentioned?

 

[Isaiah55:6]

Are you consistent i.e. do you make the same distinction for the other attributes mentioned?

It's just logic. They are Christians, so obviously they already have a saving faith. I just showed you scripture that showed you their are different kinds of faith. A bunch of them.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

Then when the time comes that our life is stripped away and all there is left is one's self and God, then those who have been brain washed to never see the truth in the bible will recognise Jesus Christ is the one they worship. They probably will be sorry that they did not recognise Him earlier, but He will bring them into His love, because they belong to Him. (John 10:16).

Is that universalism?